The money is not wasted because it goes to the church and for school
tuition. I would much rather give the money for my tithe to the church
playing bingo. This would be a fun way to give I say. Oh the fun you could
have spending a tithe this way. I know my children got 15 per sent of their
tuition paid for using this source and I am glad it was there. I know a
very devout protestant blind man who has a very limited income. He often
goes without things like food so he can tithe to his church. But do I say
he is a a bad steward? No I don't. firstly because he is tithing, secondly
because it goes toward the maintenance of whatever church he belongs to. I
will say no more because the moderator said we shouldn't discuss such things
on the list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> That is it Kathy. I know ladies who waist 50 and more dollares a week or
a few times a week. Now that sixty could go for feeding the children or
better up keep on their home and even the luxuries they gripe baboutr not
having because it all hos been waisted on bingo or Mt. Pleasent.
>
> --
> Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
> Karen Carter '74
>
>
>
> > Angel,
> > I think that the issues here may be more to do with stewardship and
> > temptation.
> > Kathy
> >
> >
> > At 08:19 PM 7/21/2005, you wrote:
> > >Gambling is a sin? Where does it say this in scripture. Have you
never
> > >taken a chance. When the doctor gives you a choice between two forms
of
> > >treatments and lays out risks and you choose one above another are you
not
> > >gambling. Every time you make plans for tomorrow are you not gambling
you
> > >will wake in the morning when God only gives us today and not tomorrow.
We
> > >all of us gamble every day. The Catholic church funds it's schools
through
> > >bingo. The children would have to pay lots more if they didn't
volunteer to
> > >work this or another project which is church sponsored. The reason
Jesus
> > >overturned the money changers in the temple is because they were taking
> > >advantage of those who went to purchase doves to sacrifice that is why
he
> > >called those doing the selling thieves not gamblers.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:43 PM
> > >Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yes the Catholic is grat at this. Gambling is a sin and the
cathilic
> > >church is built on Bingo. If you work Bingo you get your education
free
> > >from gambling. I use to work it for the catholic church oh who buy the
way
> > >also has beer tents at all functions. It is called ST. Mary's. and
Christo
> > >Wray. Oh and Holy Cross. All here in Lansing.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
> > > > Karen Carter '74
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I know Christian people who are gluttons as well. Just look at
all the
> > >fat
> > > > > people in the church. Do I judge them? Gluttony is a sin
according to
> > >St
> > > > > Paul. The body is the temple of the holy spirit and I know
Christians
> > >who
> > > > > drink soft drinks. If a soft drink can clean the porcelain off a
toilet
> > > > > bole I know I wouldn't want to drink it. I even went to a
Christian
> > >church
> > > > > where there was a soft drink machine in the basement of the church
of
> > >all
> > > > > things. The take drugs as well. They are always drinking
caffeine. I
> > >say
> > > > > that to say this just what is a good witness. I really don't
think we
> > >can
> > > > > really say what is a good witness for Christ when there are so
many
> > > > > Christian hypocrites around who do not practice what they preach.
There
> > >are
> > > > > a lot of male female room mates who aren't either having sex
together or
> > > > > contemplating marriage. If people are basing their relationship
with
> > >Christ
> > > > > on merely looking at how people around them live and not on their
> > >personal
> > > > > relationship with Christ they will be building their house on
shifting
> > >sands
> > > > > and it will fall. ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:47 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Do we have a godly biblical example of living together before
> > >marriage? It
> > > > > > is always best, prudent and wise to bring our situations back to
> > >scripture
> > > > > > no matter how it might cut cross grain to us. Their may be
situations
> > > > > > today that may not have existed then, but come to think of it
not all
> > >that
> > > > > > many. In any event giving the appearance of evil is not only a
concern
> > >for
> > > > > > ourselves, in our own conern of what people may think, but also
that
> > >of
> > > > > > all Christians. What if you tried witnessing to a non-believer
and
> > >they
> > > > > > said "Don't talk to me about being high and mighty or living
> > >righteous, I
> > > > > > know a christian couple who lived together before marriage, how
does
> > >that
> > > > > > differ from non-Christians today?". You see we bare the
responsibility
> > >of
> > > > > > wearing Christ-like across our chest when we are known as such,
and
> > > > > > appearing as non-believers with a live-in situation doesn't seem
to
> > >line
> > > > > > up biblically or doing as the Word says, to stay away from even
the
> > > > > > appearance of sin, not to mention surposefully put ourselves in
> > > > > > temptations way no matter how strong we feel our faith is.
Psalms 1
> > >says
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ps 1:1-2
> > > > > > Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the
wicked or
> > >stand
> > > > > > in the way of sinners
> > > > > > or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of
the
> > >LORD,
> > > > > > and on his law he meditates day and night.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Notice the progression of "walk", "stand" and "sit" it cannotes
a
> > >gradual
> > > > > > decline if allowed to entertain the ideals of ideals working
against
> > >the
> > > > > > law or God's Word.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I saw a message somewhere about if one gives in to a principle
as such
> > > > > > now, how that might affect futre decisoins and ect. I agree.
What
> > >would
> > > > > > make a couple stronger, living together because of life's
> > >circumstances
> > > > > > or arranging other means until that day when no holds are
preventing a
> > > > > > couple of living as a married one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brad
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > on 02:47 AM 7/21/2005, Angel said:
> > > > > > I agree with you. It seems Christians today think the devil is
bound
> > >to
> > > > > > win
> > > > > > in every situation. I think if you do live together without
falling
> > >in to
> > > > > > sin it will prove to you more than anything else your love for
each
> > >other
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > not based on mere physical attraction but instead is a heavenly
godly
> > >love
> > > > > > which will last through the years. It will also serve as a
testament
> > >of
> > > > > > your commitment to god's precepts. I will pray that you be
constant
> > >in
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > commitment which I know you will and that your marriage will
last as
> > >long
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > the firm foundation on which it will be built which is Christ.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Jenifer Barr" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:36 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > what is a vow between god and two people? If we have vowed
before
> > >God
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > each other that sex will not occur until marriage, then why
is
> > >living
> > > > > > > together a sin? We are not intimate until then. I
understand
> > >about
> > > > > > > temptation but that's when you pray every day that God keeps
you
> > > > > > strong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Our situation is unique and it's not like we haven't prayed
about
> > > > > > it. I
> > > > > > > guess I'm just hurt because everyone seems to think that just
> > >because
> > > > > > we're
> > > > > > > going to be living together the devel is going to win. God
is the
> > >only
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > in control. Is this our ideal situation? no. I've been
through
> > >too
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > in the past to know what temptation can do to someone... and
i...
> > >or
> > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > we... will not break our vow before god.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jenifer Barr.
> > > > > > > When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > > > > > AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > > > > msn
> > > > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:06 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hey Jen,
> > > > > > > > First of all, I'm sorry that you are dealing with
an
> > > > > > inflexible
> > > > > > > > pastor. I don't see what difference it makes to him
whether the
> > > > > > cerimony
> > > > > > > > is big or small, before or after the civil cerimony. I
suppose
> > >that
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > standing on something for theological reasons, but I have
no clue
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > would be. It seems to me that you are left with three
> > > > > > options: switch
> > > > > > > > pastors, move the wedding up, or leave things as they are
and
> > >trust
> > > > > > God
> > > > > > > > for a miracle. As a child of God, the one option that you
don't
> > > > > > have,
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > to move in together. If you begin your marriage by
compromising
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > principles on something that is truly small in the grand
scheme
> > >of
> > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > how can you be trusted for the bigger ones. Believe me,
the one
> > > > > > thing
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > I am learning about our heavenly Father is that he is
extremely
> > > > > > creative
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the solution department. We often miss it because we get
so
> > >stuck in
> > > > > > > > thinking that the only solutions available to us are the
ones
> > >that we
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > see and we shut the door on His creativity. This is a
test.
> > >This is
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > a test. The question is, will you trust Him and wait for
His
> > > > > > solution
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > timing or will you continue to see with earthly eyes only
what is
> > > > > > > > possible. Good luck on your adventure. He is faithful.
Your
> > >task
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > remain patient and at peace! GRIN!
> > > > > > > > Kathy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At 05:17 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote:
> > > > > > > >>Hi all. As most of you know, i am getting married in
november.
> > >I
> > > > > > found
> > > > > > > >>out
> > > > > > > >>today from work that they want me to transfer in the
beginning of
> > > > > > august.
> > > > > > > >>I
> > > > > > > >>can't tell them i won't transfer then because it is the end
of
> > >our
> > > > > > fiscal
> > > > > > > >>year august 31 and i could forfit my job. Problem is
though,
> > >that my
> > > > > > > >>fiancee and I decided that to save money... if i had to
move in
> > > > > > september
> > > > > > > >>or
> > > > > > > >>october we would just live together until the wedding. We
both
> > >don't
> > > > > > > >>really
> > > > > > > >>like the idea but it's like we have no choice. I don't
know what
> > >to
> > > > > > do.
> > > > > > > >>I'm so confused... i don't know what is right and wrong.
Both my
> > > > > > fiancee
> > > > > > > >>and I are born-again Christians, we will in no way have sex
> > >before
> > > > > > > >>marriage
> > > > > > > >>so if we made/make that pledge to god is living together
before
> > > > > > marriage
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > >>sin? Is it wrong? And what do i do if it is? I know of
other
> > > > > > christian
> > > > > > > >>couples who have lived together before marriage. I am just
so
> > > > > > scattered
> > > > > > > >>right now. Please pray for clarity for me? And above all,
pray
> > >Gods
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > >>be done.
> > > > > > > >>I love you all.
> > > > > > > >>Jenifer Barr.
> > > > > > > >>When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > > > > > >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > > > > >>msn
> > > > > > > >>[log in to unmask]
> > > > > > > >
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