Hey Vinny,
No, I know that life isn't easy and I"m sorry for being such a winer, if
that's the way that it is coming across.  Sometimes, I hesitate to post
because my life just sounds so crazy compared to other people who are
posting.  I really fear that other listers are going to grow tired of the
drama here in Maine.  I know that there is no instant fix short of Christ,
but this has been building for four years and I'm just growing weary.  I
right to you guys to be my   Aaron, and Hurr, holding up my hands toward
victory because I am growing tired in the fight.
Kathy

At 04:57 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote:
>Kathy,
>I have also seen where when God has his hand on someone, he'll just let the
>go for so long, until they come to themself.  God has a much longer range of
>vision than we have.  I'm sure Phil and Sandi would have liked to have given
>up on Gretchen along time ago, but look at her now.
>No, it doesn't make what you are going through any easier, I know that, but
>then, (and I say this in humility) did The Lord ever say it would be easy?
>Oh, yes, the prosperity preachers and other false prophets have conditioned
>north American Christians to believe that all you had to do is to say yes to
>Jesus and there would be no suffering and then one day we would all be
>whisked off to heaven.  Wrong.
>
>Much love and prayers for you all,
>
>         Vinny
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:07 PM
>Subject: Re: how it went.
>
>
> > Thanks Vinny,
> > It is just so heart breaking to watch all this.  I can't imagine how God
> > does it so much with all of us:  watch us use our free will to be stupid!
> > Kathy
> >
> >
> > At 02:53 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote:
> > >Hi Kathy,
> > >Well, I'm not a parent, and never have been, but frankly, I have to say
>that
> > >I would continue to monitor and not say a word.
> > >Kind of like what the Lord does with those he is trying to catch.  He
> > >watches, and watches, and gives people more rope than they need to hang
> > >themselves.  You know the Scripture in Peter where it says that God is
>not
> > >slack, as some men count slackness etc.
> > >There is another scripture somewhere which begins "with the pure, thou
>wilt
> > >show thyself pure. it ends that witht eh froward, God will show himself
> > >Froward etc.
> > >People only think they are getting away with stuff, but it will catch up
> > >with them, for sure.
> > >Keep diligent until he is 18, or till he gets in more trouble than he can
> > >wiggle out of.
> > > From a non-parent.
> > >Vinny
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Kathy Du Bois" <
> > >[log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > >To: <
> > >[log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > >Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:02 AM
> > >Subject: How it went.
> > > > Hi guys,
> > > >         Well, I told you that there would be twists and turns.  Chris
> > >passed the
> > > > drug test.  That really shocked us until we got home and monitered his
> > > > calls to his girlfriend and his druggy friend and learned that he
>cheated
> > > > and put water in the cup.  His girlfriends had told him to make sure
>that
> > > > it was warm, not cold.  Chris followed her advice and got another
>clean
> > > > report.  Now he thinks that he's in the clear until his court date
>July
> > > > 12th.  Last night, I overheard him trying to meet up with another
>dealer
> > >to
> > > > get some weed.  Chris is getting money because he is doing some odd
>jobs
> > > > for our neighbor, who doesn't have the greatest reputation either.
>this
> > > > guy pays Chris in cash so we never see it.  chris doesn't tell us how
>much
> > > > he is getting, so we can't put a finger on how much he has so he can
>keep
> > > > trying to get weed, but pretend to be innocent with us.  It's crazy
> > >making.
> > > >         I have to admit that, for me, yesterday was a real cricess
>moment
> > >in my
> > > > faith.  I believe that we did all the right things.  We tried to have
> > > > him  hold Chris accountable and face the consequences of his actions.
> > >Now,
> > > > I wrestle with the question of, "why?"  It's that same old question
>that
> > > > God doesn't usually answer, but I'm puzzling over why God let Chris
>get
> > > > away with this?  I'm feeling let down by Him!
> > > >         Another issue that Greg and I are wrestling with is whether or
>not
> > >we
> > > > should let Chris know that he is being monitered so closely by us.  We
> > > > began monitering when Chris started sneaking out in the middle of the
> > >night
> > > > and not telling us where he had been or where he was going  and
>refusing
> > >to
> > > > give us the names of his friends.  He never seemed to have any money a
>nd
> > > > this was odd since he was earning more than $100 a week.     He
>wouldn't
> > > > talk to us so we started investigating on our own to try to get a
>handle
> > >on
> > > > things.  We've managed to get a couple of people busted and we have
>been
> > > > able to continue to be very aware of Chris's activities:  something we
> > >feel
> > > > is justified since he is still under our roof and we are still
>completely
> > > > responsible for him.  But, I'm interested in your opinions.  Would you
> > > > tell?  Have we fallen into the trap of being deceitful just like Chris
>is,
> > > > or are we doing the right thing?  You know, in a way, I think about
>how
> > >God
> > > > knows everything  too, but He knows what He is doing.  He knows what
>is
> > > > right.  I need to seek the counsel of others for in that there is
>wisdom.
> > > > Kathy
> > > >
> >