Hi Kathy I will admit something to you my mother is unfortunately like that
she will see that her grandchildren have a great christmas no matter how
many organizations she goes to is that right? No, when we were kids we
always got a good Christmas but not from others pockets that I can remember.
I know what you are saying there.
I guess my question there is who are we to judge I mean you gave out of love
you didn't know hopefully God will take care of that. I've been asked for
food from an alcoholic who works and am I mad heck yes I am we didn't give
but I think this matter is a bit different because George's needs weren't
checked out but I do understand where your coming from honest I do
especially when your own mohter does it its verry shameful and embarrassing
for me.
Lelia Struve email [log in to unmask] msn [log in to unmask]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: Church On The Move
> Okay, it sounds like we're up for our next round of bride beating
> again: Christ's bride, that is. I don't think that you guys are being
> very fair. Being on the other side of the issue, I'd like to say a word
> on
> the church's behalf. We get lots of those calls too and so far at least,
> every single one of them have been a hoax. How do I know? Because Greg
> takes from a few hours to a whole day to check them out before he will
> give
> the person a yes or no answer. Every single one of the people who have
> contacted us, either feed us false information that leads down a lot of
> dead rabbit trails, or they are just trying to pull a scam. Poor George,
> in his need, is having to compete with that. In fact, from some
> statistics
> that I've read, less than one in ten of the appeals made to a church are
> legitimate. Did you hire your pastor to be an investigater or a
> shepherd? Now, we've collected the names of a lot of para church
> ministries or government agencies to give to the people who ask for help
> and we don't give very often either unless the person is willing to take
> the time to let us get to know them well. We give to these agencies as
> well, recognizing that they are better equipped, because of their
> specializations, to deal with special needs, than we are. Even then,
> we've been burned a time or two.
> In our church history, about ten years ago now, there was a local
> family that came around at Christmas time with a real hard luck story.
> The
> church and the Sunday school got together and gave them a really nice
> christmas. Guess what they discovered when they dropped everything
> off? This family had been making that appeal to all the local churches
> and, well, let's just say that they had a very over flowing Christmas with
> no apologies. when they came around the next year, it was very hard to
> turn them down in love and not be bitter. Thank God for His help in that
> one.
> You guys see George as a person in need, and he is! There's no
> doubt about that. You don't know what this church has been through in the
> past, however. We're called to be wise as serpants and gentle as
> doves. We're also called to be discerning and good stewards of what we've
> been entrusted with. I'm sorry that George got a bad wrap from this
> church
> and I'm glad that God did provide the help for him elsewhere. How do you
> know that that wasn't God's plan all along to begin a relationship with
> Christ, for that chief, through the help of people like George, and
> maybe
> Phil.
> Kathy, in defense of the Bride
>
> At 08:17 PM 2/25/2005, you wrote:
>>Not only did that chief provide the home, but he put his money where his
>>mouth is. Wonder if that would preach. Good thing I'm not of that
>>calling.
>>Ha.
>>
>>
>>Vicki
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:11 PM
>>Subject: [ECHURCH-USA] Church On The Move
>>
>>
>> > Vicki,
>> >
>> > Yes, the churches are related. The Denver pastor came from the church
>> > in
>> > Tulsa. They run about 50 to 60 people here in Denver. the church in
>>Tulsa
>> > is quite large. Their websites are linked. This used to be one of
>>George's
>> > favorite preachers, too. I suppose, in all fairness, if George and his
>>wife
>> > would have made an appointment to go see the pastor, maybe something
>> > different might have happened? No, forget that. It would have been
>> > the
>> > same. I was in a big church once and they have several calls each day
>>like
>> > this and rarely do they stick their neck out for anybody and that is
>> > true
>> > for nearly all their own members, too. I was accused of being cynical.
>>Or
>> > is it the truth people are fearful of?
>> >
>> > Phil.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Vicki and The Rors" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:07 PM
>> > Subject: Re: George and family update
>> >
>> >
>> > > Was thinking about the religious background of the native American
>>peoples
>> > > and Cherokee tribe. Prayed that God would give them an extra
>> > > blessing.
>> > > Especially that chief.
>> > >
>> > > Phil. Was going to ask you if those church on the moves were
>> > > related.
>> > They
>> > > kind of did pattern after one another, didn't they, sadly.
>> > >
>> > > Vicki
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:56 PM
>> > > Subject: [ECHURCH-USA] George and family update
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Two major developments.
>> > > >
>> > > > First, the untreatable bacteria in Jennifer's lungs is slowly
>> > diminishing.
>> > > > So much so, that their doctor said it is time to stretch our faith.
>>He
>> > > took
>> > > > Jennifer off her I V and said she could leave the hospital for one
>>week
>> > to
>> > > > see how she is doing. They called a local church in the Tulsa,
>>Oklahoma
>> > > > area with which they are familiar and that they buy tapes from
>> > > > often
>> > > because
>> > > > the pastor is on the radio. The church is called Church On The
>> > > > Move.
>> > > They
>> > > > explained that they were looking for a home or small house or even
>> > > > a
>> > house
>> > > > trailer which they could possibly rent for a few weeks. They
>>explained
>> > > they
>> > > > were not employed at the moment because of the situation of round
>> > > > the
>> > > clock
>> > > > care of their daughter and they explained they lived 100 miles away
>>and
>> > > the
>> > > > doctor wanted them no more than 15 minutes away. This church said
>>they
>> > > only
>> > > > help members of their own church and couldn't help them. Wouldn't
>>help
>> > is
>> > > a
>> > > > better word to use I think. Anyhow, George's wife is half Cherokee
>>and
>> > > she
>> > > > works in a local clinic back home. Vivian's sister works for the
>> > Cherokee
>> > > > tribe organization and the nation wrote them a check for 500
>> > > > dollars
>> > > > recently. When the chief of the Cherokee nation learned they
>> > > > needed a
>> > > > house, he gave them an address and told them they could live in
>> > > > that
>> > house
>> > > > for as long as they needed.
>> > > >
>> > > > Wednesday, George was getting his hair cut in the hospital when the
>>Lord
>> > > > spoke to him and said, I'm getting you a house. They were unaware
>> > > > of
>> > the
>> > > > final arrangements by the chief of the Cherokee nation there in
>> > > > that
>> > part
>> > > of
>> > > > Oklahoma. George went back to his daughter's room and his wife
>> > > > said
>> > they
>> > > > has arrangements were finalized and they could live in it full time
>>for
>> > as
>> > > > long as was needed.
>> > > >
>> > > > In the next couple of days, their doctor will be setting everything
>> > > > up
>> > in
>> > > > the house that they will need to care for Jennifer and he will be
>> > sending
>> > > > his own people from his office who handle respatory therapy for
>> > > > that
>> > part
>> > > of
>> > > > it when she needs it. If she does well the first week, he will put
>>her
>> > > back
>> > > > in the hospital for observation and if that all goes well, he will
>> > expand
>> > > > her stay in the home to two weeks and so on.
>> > > >
>> > > > The house is exactly 13 minutes from the hospital and doctor said
>> > > > no
>> > more
>> > > > than 15 minutes distance from the hospital. The house is two
>> > > > stories
>> > with
>> > > a
>> > > > big garage and sits on a full acre of ground. It has a 50 foot by
>> > > > 15
>> > foot
>> > > > sun room on the back of the house and a deck which almost goes half
>>way
>> > > > around the house. It is fully furnished. It is a house the leader
>> > > > of
>> > the
>> > > > Cherokee was trying to sell which he owns but since the market is
>>slow,
>> > he
>> > > > took it off the market for now.
>> > > >
>> > > > Phil.
>> > > > I flew Kites With Jesus
>> > > > www.safeplacefellowship.com
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
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