Yeh, Vicki. So snap out of it. You should feel better now.
Phil.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: Church On The Move
> Actually Vicki,
> even the spectatorship thing is pretty old. Do you realize that if you
had
> lived in the middle ages that you would have never been allowed to take
> communion? You would have sat in the congregation and observed while the
> priests enjoyed communion, intinction style, behind a scrim. Since you
> probably couldn't read, the only understanding of the word that you would
> have had was from the morality plays that the church organized. You
> wouldn't have been allowed to sing, because you wouldn't have been
> considered worthy and, besides, you probably wouldn't have known
> latin. You would have watched the church grow wealthier and wealthier,
> accumulating property, art work and literature while you would
> have been lucky to scratch out a living with your one ox and fourteen
> children. If you killed a deer for food from the king's forest, you would
> have been found guilty of stealing and you wouldn't expect the church to
> come to your defense because the holy people would have been too
> pre-occupied bellying up to his royal highness for certain favors. I
could
> go on, but I think that you get my point. The most blessed and most
cursed
> event in church history was to have Emperor Constantine adopt
> Christianity as the official religion of the Roman empire. She had
> problems before that, but at that point, she jumped in bed with the devil
> herself and has been doing a lousy job of extracting herself ever
> since. Neveerthe less, she is still Christ's chosen bride.
> Kathy
>
>
> At 09:23 PM 2/28/2005, you wrote:
> >Kathy,
> >
> >I agree that much of the behavior has existed from perhaps not long after
> >the church was born. However, this spectatorship, I can't help thinking
> >that it came in as various para-church organizations started picking up
the
> >job of the church. I'm not saying they are bad. But maybe there would
be
> >less need for them if the church was being the church, or called out ones
in
> >function. And thank God for the church. Unless I miss my guess, and I
> >could very well do that, I believe we'll see it rise up and function as
it
> >was meant to function one day.
> >
> >Promise not to smack me too hard Kathy. Smile.
> >
> >Vicki
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 3:20 PM
> >Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Church On The Move
> >
> >
> > > Well Vicki,
> > > Truthfully, to answer your question about when the church stopped
being
> > > loving and accepting of others in their imperfections, I think that
it's
> > > pretty obvious from the history recorded in the bible that it began
pretty
> > > much at the beginning. That's why so much is written to correct such
> > > sinful behavior by James and Paul and Peter. Satan has been working
from
> > > within since the get go. After all, if he can destroy the church, his
> > > problems will be solved, so he thinks!
> > > Kathy
> > >
> > >
> > > At 10:41 AM 2/27/2005, you wrote:
> > > >Kathy,
> > > >
> > > >In so many places the church has turned to people showing up on
Sunday
> >and
> > > >doing their thing as spectators. I'd like to know when we quit
accepting
> > > >each other as brothers and sisters in the family of God with our
> >limitations
> > > >and imperfections as well as our God-given gifts. I'm not
specifically
> > > >saying that of your church. Just that this kind of trend has done no
> >favors
> > > >to the looks of Christ's bride.
> > > >
> > > >Vicki
> > > >
>
>
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