Hey Brad,
Just for fun, don't forget to throw the book of James into the mix
concerning faith and works. I just thought that that might add some
flavor! GRIN!
Kathy
At 06:17 PM 4/10/2005, you wrote:
>Karen,
>
>That is very true. However, the question I had regarding the John and
>Matthew scripture was one says quote, "whosoever believes shall have
>eternal life", and the other spoke of "helping others which in essence is
>helping Christ", which Jesus spoke himself. Those being on his left did
>nothing to help his hurting people, and those on his right did. Those on
>the left perished, and those on his right received eternal life. The point
>I drew was that we can say we believe, but the proof is in the actions
>behind it. This is what I believe Jesus was stating by the story he told,
>as well what is actually in the context of the John 3:16 verse. . It is
>not enough just to say one believes, it is by a truly changed heart in
>which one will find it compelling to help others and feed God's people in
>one way or the other. Paul also wrote in Timothy saying that if you see
>someone in need, hungry and cold, and you say to him... "Be well and
>warm", but do nothing to help him, what good is this man's faith anyway.
>It is very clear that no, works in and of itself is just good works and
>has nothing to do with salvation, but so is stating one believes and does
>nothing to honor, prove, or live it, together they are a proof of a truly
>changed heart. I was a huge, huge offender of, how shall we say, a very
>colorful vocabulary before I followed Christ. I use to attend church
>occasionally, I grew up in a parochial school, I had a basic belief that
>we were created, and probably would have defended it had I been in a
>position where it was challenged, but my heart was not changed. When I
>came to Christ, that, quote, "colorful language" left me immediately. I
>mean it was repulsive to me to think of sputtering such language, and when
>others did, I nearly cringed, and I still have a hard time hearing it,
>especially God's name in vain. That is proof to me of a changed heart in
>one aspect. So you see by my works, a tangible visible change of heart, by
>that change it is proof to God that I believe. Now just because someone
>comes to Christ, that does not mean that they would immediately buy
>clothes for the poor, or feed them, although if they have a heart and a
>built in ministry gifting, they might, but many find the desire to be
>obedient as Ned stated, once they read God's will concerning the matter,
>but nonetheless their works in the world will change in one aspect or
>another which proves their belief. Not the works by themselves. How
>about a life application example. Let's say we go back 20 some years.
>Here I am a 17 year old kid and just met the young girl who is now my
>wife. If back then I told her I loved her, but spent my time with my
>buddies, spent my money on my own things, didn't return her calls, as
>oppose to spending much time with her, buying her a dinner or a few things
>here or there and called her on my own? Which scenario speaks of my true
>statement saying "I love you"? See we can give lip service to anything we
>like, but as the old adage says, "Actions speak louder than words".
>
>
>Brad
>
>
>on 07:39 PM 4/9/2005, Karen Carter said:
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>We are to believe and live our belief. When we are saved we are made
>new. like Christ so we live like Christ and strive to be like
>Christ. You cannot get to Heaven on good works but only throu the Son
>Jesus. For non can enter in except throug me. John 14:6-7
>
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>Karen Carter '74
>
>
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> > Below are two sets of scriptures. One taken from John and the other
>from
> > Matthew. How do they compare to each other. One speaks of believing,
>and
> > the other speaks of doing, each one promising eternal life if you
>follow
> > them, and eternal hell if you do not. Is simpley believing not enough?
>Or
> > are we only insured eternity with god if we do the works? Why do these
> > two scriptures seem to contradict each other.
> >
> > John 3:5-19
> > 5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of
>water
> > and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
> > 6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of
>the
> > Spirit is spirit.
> > 7 "Do not be amazed that I said to you, "You must be born again.'
> > 8 "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do
>not
> > know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is
>born
> > of the Spirit."
> > 9 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can these things be?"
> > 10 Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel and
>do
> > not understand these things?
> > 11 "Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of
> > what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony.
> > 12 "If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you
> > believe if I tell you heavenly things?
> > 13 "No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven:
>the
> > Son of Man.
> > 14 "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the
>Son
> > of Man be lifted up;
> > 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
> > 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,
>that
> > whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
> > 17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but
> > that the world might be saved through Him.
> > 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has
>been
> > judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only
> > begotten Son of God.
> >
> > Matthew 25:31-46
> > 31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the
> > angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32
> > "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will
> > separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the
> > sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His
> > right, and the goats on the left. 34 "Then the King will say to
> > those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father,
> > inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the
> > world. 35 'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat;
> > I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a
> > stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me;
> > I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to
> > Me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we
> > see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something
> > to drink? 38 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite
> > You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 'When did we see You sick,
> > or in prison, and come to You?' 40 "The King will answer and
> > say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it
> > to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you
> > did it to Me.' 41 "Then He will also say to those on His left,
> > 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has
> > been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was
> > hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you
> > gave Me nothing to drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you did not
> > invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in
> > prison, and you did not visit Me.' 44 "Then they themselves
> > also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty,
> > or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take
> > care of You?' 45 "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to
> > you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of
> > these, you did not do it to Me.' 46 "These will go away into
> > eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
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>We are to believe and live our belief. When we are saved we are made
>new. like Christ so we live like Christ and strive to be like
>Christ. You cannot get to Heaven on good works but only throu the Son
>Jesus. For non can enter in except throug me. John 14:6-7
>
>--
>Prayer is the bridge between panic and peace.
>Karen Carter '74
>
>
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>
> > Below are two sets of scriptures. One taken from John and the other
>from
> > Matthew. How do they compare to each other. One speaks of believing,
>and
> > the other speaks of doing, each one promising eternal life if you
>follow
> > them, and eternal hell if you do not. Is simpley believing not enough?
>Or
> > are we only insured eternity with god if we do the works? Why do these
> > two scriptures seem to contradict each other.
> >
> > John 3:5-19
> > 5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of
>water
> > and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
> > 6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of
>the
> > Spirit is spirit.
> > 7 "Do not be amazed that I said to you, "You must be born again.'
> > 8 "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do
>not
> > know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is
>born
> > of the Spirit."
> > 9 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can these things be?"
> > 10 Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel and
>do
> > not understand these things?
> > 11 "Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of
>
> > what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony.
> > 12 "If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you
> > believe if I tell you heavenly things?
> > 13 "No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven:
>the
> > Son of Man.
> > 14 "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the
>Son
> > of Man be lifted up;
> > 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
> > 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,
>that
> > whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but ! have ete rnal life.
> > 17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but
>
> > that the world might be saved through Him.
> > 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has
>been
> > judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only
> > begotten Son of God.
> >
> > Matthew 25:31-46
> > 31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the
> > angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32
> > "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will
> > separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the
> > sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His
> > right, and the goats on the left. 34 "Then the King will say to
> > those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father,
> > inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the
> > world. 35 'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat;
> > I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a
> > stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me;
> > I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to
> > Me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we
> > see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something
> > to drink? 38 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite
> > You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 'When did we see You sick,
> > or in prison, and come to You?' 40 "The King will answer and
> > say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it
> > to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you
> > did it to Me.' 41 "Then He will also say to those on His left,
> > 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has
> > been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was
> > hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you
> > gave Me nothing to drink; 4! 3 I was a stranger, and you did not
> > invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in
> > prison, and you did not visit Me.' 44 "Then they themselves
> > also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty,
> > or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take
> > care of You?' 45 "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to
> > you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of
> > these, you did not do it to Me.' 46 "These will go away into
> > eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
>
>
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