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> >Jim
> I normally eat carbs, yes, but not out of any belief
> that they are in any way necessary.
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> Mike
> When you eat carbs which ones do you tend to eat?
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> Have you found that you are able to gain weight while
> sticking to your exercise routine without carbs?
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I'm a little confused by the question. My goal is to lose a little bit of weight -- I struggle slightly with my weight creeping upwards not downwards. And even though I may be at zero carbs, I can still gain weight if I eat too much protein. Perhaps its just simply calories or maybe gluconeogenesis.
> >Jim
> Anyway, Phinney shows that carbs are unnecessary but
> that you have to allow time for adaptation.
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> Mike
> Did he show that his subjects were able to gain weight
> (muscle mass) while eating no carbs? I seem to
> remember that they were exercising on a treadmill, not
> weight lifting.
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Oh I get your question above now. It's an interesting question. Yes, I'd love to gain muscle mass and don't know if I am or not as I'm simply measuring overall weight. And, yes, his subjects were doing "aerobic" work. He DID show though that they didn't lose any muscle.
> Mike
> How much fat do you include in your diet? What are
> your sources of fat? In the past I
> have included significant amount of olive oil (along
> with eating red meat). Olive oil doesn't seem to work
> well for me. My reliance on olive oil is in part
> based on Rosedale's dietary recommendations. I am
> thinking that I need to increase saturated fat. I
> have allergy symptoms from egg and coconut and have
> found the need to limit the amount of meat I eat.
> Therefore, I am experimenting a bit with ghee
> (non-paleo, I know). In part I am trying this because
> of an account in Lutz's book about the under weight
> guy who included significant amount of fat from dairy.
> (I can search through the book for the pages if you
> are interested). What do you do to make fats work for
> you?
Well, I avoid dairy like the plague. See Cordain's most recent newsletter for yet another reason why: http://www.thepaleodiet.com/newsletter/newsletters/PDNCourierVol2No5.pdf And it appears that dairy fat may contain the highest concentration of betacellulin.
I'm in the same boat with you with respect to fat. I do consume a lot of fat from grassfed beef (75% lean hamburger) and coconut oil. But I also drench my foods with a lot of olive oil too in order to bring the calories up. I have zero fear of saturated fat BTW. But whatever the fat composition of grassfed beef is ought to be perfect.
Mike > Personally, I find that after
> eating no fruit or starches for a several days
> (probably 4 on average) I have trouble.
Phinney warns that there are three things vital to this moderate protein, low carb diet. Number one is time for adaptation. It takes at least a week, probably more like three or four, to fully adapt. And one thing he doesn't mention is that the fat burning that will inevitably occur will release quite a few stored toxins and make you feel sick. That's good, though it doesn't feel that way.
>
> BTW do you know if Stephen Phinney is related to Davis
> Phinney? I read a book a while back (15 years ago)
> authored by Davis Phinney who was a professional
> cyclist.
I don't know. Both Davis and his wife Pam *are* physicians I believe. I wondered that too.
Jim
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