On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:37 Thomas Bridgeland wrote: >http://www.trackertrail.com/survival/fire/cokeandchocolatebar/ > >or > >http://www.primitiveways.com/ice-fire.html Loved the second one, Tom. First boil your water - to remove air from the water - to make a clear lens - to start a fire ... to boil your water .... Keith