Vicki, yep, He surely, does care.  I know He cares more than I do.

earlier, Vicki and The Rors, wrote:
>John,
>Well, even if people don't know or care, it's a good thing we can know that
>God does care.
>
>Vicki
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Schwery" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:39 AM
>Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Fw: Church Throw Aways
>
>
> > Vicki, I doubt it.  People might remember for a couple of minutes, and
>that
> > is about it.
> >
> > earlier, Vicki and The Rors, wrote:
> > >My John now has hearing aids.  He didn't have any idea how much he missed
> > >without them.  So I've become more aware of how people with hearing loss
> > >have difficulty hearing.  Do you think speaking up about it in church
>makes
> > >any difference in the accommodations John?
> > >
> > >Vicki
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "John Schwery" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:37 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Fw: Church Throw Aways
> > >
> > >
> > > > Vicki, that's true.  If a building has a lot of echo, I miss a lot.
> > > >
> > > > earlier, Vicki and The Rors, wrote:
> > > > >I would think that some churches, just because of the construction
>would
> > >be
> > > > >especially hard to hear in with a hearing impairment, John.
> > > > >
> > > > >Vicki
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "John Schwery" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 8:18 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: Fw: Church Throw Aways
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Phil, you have it right concerning hearing impaired people.  I
>only
> > >hear
> > > > > > parts of our messages in church.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > earlier, Vicki and The Rors, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Throw Away Christians
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > By Phil Scovell
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      I have discovered a class, or group, of people, born
>again
> > > > > > > > > they are, members of the Body of Christ, yet the church has
> > >thrown
> > > > > > > > > them away.  Strangely enough, I have learned how much God
>loves
> > > > > > > > > each and every one of these throw away Christians.  It goes
> > > > > > > > > without saying, but I will say it any way, Jesus died for
>them,
> > > > > > > > > shedding His blood for their sins, and was bodily
>resurrected
> > >for
> > > > > > > > > them, too.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      These special groups cover a wide range of
>personalities
> > >and
> > > > > > > > > a variety of physical conditions.  Some are in wheelchairs
>for
> > > > > > > > > whom ramps are conveniently constructed in order to get
>these
> > > > > > > > > pitiful souls up and into the church building.
>Unfortunately,
> > >for
> > > > > > > > > these people, none of the bathrooms have been modified to
>handle
> > > > > > > > > wheelchairs, So, extra faith is required of these folk to
>hold
> > >it
> > > > > > > > > for several hours until they get back home or to wherever
>they
> > > > > > > > > live.  These special folk are such a blessing to the church,
> > >too.
> > > > > > > > > It makes you thankful that you aren't in a wheelchair.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      Another category of these special Christians with
>special
> > > > > > > > > needs are hard of hearing.  Little, if any, regard is given
>to
> > > > > > > > > their inability to hear through the Public Address system to
> > > > > > > > > accommodate the hearing loss these people have nor have any
> > > > > > > > > special accommodations been made to the amplification system
> > >which
> > > > > > > > > would allow them to wear earphones or to even plug in to the
> > > > > > > > > system, if using implants, so they could hear better.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      If you are totally deaf, on the other hand, you are in
> > >luck.
> > > > > > > > > The larger ministries have taught sign language and so the
> > > > > > > > > services are then translated for the deaf.  If you so happen
>to
> > > > > > > > > wish to attend a church without a translator, then you are
>out
> > >of
> > > > > > > > > luck.  The hard of hearing, and the totally deaf, are such a
> > > > > > > > > blessing to the church, too.  It makes you thank the Lord
>for
> > >your
> > > > > > > > > own hearing ability.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      The elderly have their own Sunday school class.  This
>is
> > > > > > > > > nice, of course, because then all those that the church
>brings
> > >in
> > > > > > > > > from the nearby nursing home can sit in their own class
>without
> > > > > > > > > disturbing the mainstream body of believers.  Especially if
>they
> > > > > > > > > smell funny and those bussed in from the nearby nursing home
> > > > > > > > > always do.  Yet, even these elderly people are such a
>blessing
> > >to
> > > > > > > > > the church.  It makes you thankful for the youth we have.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      This special class and seating arrangement in the
>church
> > > > > > > > > service for the elderly is very much like Sunday school for
>the
> > > > > > > > > children, of course, so it seems logically that the elderly
> > >would
> > > > > > > > > have their own class where they won't be a bother to others.
> > > > > > > > > These same children, since they are so disruptive, have
>junior
> > > > > > > > > church immediately after Sunday school.  This is their own
> > >little
> > > > > > > > > church they have while their parents are out in the
>auditorium
> > > > > > > > > having their big church service.  In this way, church
>workers,
> > >who
> > > > > > > > > never get to sit in on a Sunday school class or church
>service,
> > > > > > > > > get to teach the children for a good three or four hours
>each
> > > > > > > > > Sunday.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      Although it is rare, some of the mega churches have
> > > > > > > > > discovered blind people read Braille instead of print.
>Since
> > > > > > > > > blind people don't need to see, their little group of eight
>or
> > >ten
> > > > > > > > > sit on the back row where those ungodly large Braille hymn
>books
> > > > > > > > > are easily stored.  This has really brought the blind
>community
> > > > > > > > > together, we are told, and the church is able to minister to
> > >them
> > > > > > > > > better when they are all grouped together.  Additionally,
>there
> > >is
> > > > > > > > > the added blessing of the camaraderie which occurs among
>these,
> > >to
> > > > > > > > > be pitied of all handicapped peoples, just because they are
>now
> > > > > > > > > grouped together.  They are such a blessing and
>encouragement to
> > > > > > > > > the rest of the church as they sit back on the back roe with
>the
> > > > > > > > > large Braille song books and singing right along with the
>rest
> > >of
> > > > > > > > > the church.  It makes you thankful you aren't blind.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      Closely related to the blind group of special
>Christians,
> > >are
> > > > > > > > > the Path Finders group.  These are the mentally retarded
>bussed
> > >in
> > > > > > > > > from a local care home.  This group also gets to sit in the
>back
> > > > > > > > > of the church because they often become disruptive during
>the
> > > > > > > > > service and have to be taken out by the special workers.
>Thank
> > > > > > > > > the Lord we are not like them and have mental normality.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      Finally, there is a silent group of people who rarely
>are
> > > > > > > > > considered.  They don't have their own special hymn books
>nor
> > >are
> > > > > > > > > they assigned a special place to sit in the service.
> > >Furthermore,
> > > > > > > > > they have no special Sunday school class of their own to
>attend.
> > > > > > > > > We notice their tears they often shed during the preaching
>and
> > > > > > > > > teaching of the Word but we just figure they are being moved
>by
> > > > > > > > > the Holy Spirit to tears.  We would never once consider that
> > > > > > > > > something else might be wrong.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      We have also noticed that this silent group of unnamed
> > >people
> > > > > > > > > often are going forward during the altar call for
>specialized
> > > > > > > > > prayer.  Again, we have no idea why but just assume they
>have
> > > > > > > > > tender hearts toward the Lord.  We have heard they have some
> > > > > > > > > special problems but we have never talked to them, other
>than to
> > > > > > > > > say hello when coming or going to the church, and they look
>like
> > > > > > > > > people who prefer being left alone anyhow.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      Eventually, your curiosity gets the best of you and you
>ask
> > > > > > > > > one of the church leaders who this silent group of people
>are.
> > > > > > > > > You are told that this group has been unofficially
>classified by
> > > > > > > > > the church as "those to whom only the professionals can
>handle."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I could continue with other segments of society but you
>likely
> > > > > > > > > have gotten the picture by now.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      Scattered throughout these various groups, are little
>girls
> > > > > > > > > who have been molested or raped by family members or friends
>and
> > > > > > > > > relatives.  Little boys can also be found in the church who
>have
> > > > > > > > > been sodomized but as is the case with the little girls,
>they
> > > > > > > > > have been threatened or ignored if they did tell someone
>about
> > >it.
> > > > > > > > > Now, most of those children are adults.  Some in this silent
> > >group
> > > > > > > > > have suffered from traumatic childhood experiences and
>although
> > > > > > > > > they daily experience anxiety and panic attacks, they have
>no
> > > > > > > > > understanding of the nature of the cross they must carry.
>When
> > > > > > > > > seeking counsel from leaders of the church, they often are
> > > > > > > > > referred to "The Professionals" and told they will be placed
>on
> > > > > > > > > the church prayer list.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      Some of these people suffering from various forms of
> > > > > > > > > depression have ungodly nightmares the would frighten the
> > >average
> > > > > > > > > Christian beyond emotional stability.  Others cry themselves
>to
> > > > > > > > > sleep at night because of the sadness that tries to crush
>the
> > >life
> > > > > > > > > out of them.  Others, although they would never admit such
>to
> > > > > > > > > anyone, even hear voices.  Some have not only considered
>suicide
> > > > > > > > > but attempted it.  They never told anyone why they were
>missing
> > > > > > > > > from church for the last three weeks and no one noticed
>anyhow.
> > > > > > > > > Some of these people in this special silent group, are told
>they
> > > > > > > > > are in advanced stages of emotional and mental illness.
>This
> > > > > > > > > group are on medications for sleep because otherwise they
>are
> > > > > > > > > awake all night.  Others are on antidepressants and
>antianxiety
> > > > > > > > > medications for their depression.  Some are on even stronger
> > > > > > > > > medications classified as psychotic or psychotropic mind
> > >altering
> > > > > > > > > drugs.  These are the more mentally ill people, who,
>amazingly
> > > > > > > > > enough, seem to function in life relatively normally as far
>as
> > > > > > > > > anyone can tell.  Holding down a job, caring for their
>families,
> > > > > > > > > driving a car, mowing their grass, reading their Bible,
>serving
> > >in
> > > > > > > > > the church, and other activities that seem perfectly normal,
>are
> > > > > > > > > all conducted by these silently hurting people.  If people
>knew,
> > > > > > > > > on the other hand, they had done as the church leadership
>had
> > > > > > > > > recommended and gone to "The Professionals" with their
>problems,
> > > > > > > > > and were now diagnosed with Posttraumatic Stress Disorder,
>or
> > >with
> > > > > > > > > schizophrenia tendencies, or told they have Obsessive
>Compulsive
> > > > > > > > > disorder, General Anxiety Disorder, or they are clinically
> > > > > > > > > depressed or manic depressive, or if they have ben tested
>and
> > > > > > > > > found to be bipolar, or, as is the case for some who have
>been
> > > > > > > > > brave enough to tell their doctor that they heard voices and
>now
> > > > > > > > > have been determined to have Dissociative Identity Disorder,
> > >which
> > > > > > > > > is multiple personalities, the church wouldn't come near
>them.
> > > > > > > > > Well, they don't come near them anyway.  These silently
>hurting
> > > > > > > > > people are throw aways, right along with many others, for
>whom
> > > > > > > > > the church chooses not to minister.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      My ministry, on the other hand, is to these silently
> > >hurting
> > > > > > > > > and forgotten people.  I pastor them and pray with them.  I
>cry
> > > > > > > > > for them, making myself available for them 24-7 and pray for
> > >them
> > > > > > > > > on my own times alone with the Lord.  They call me in the
>middle
> > > > > > > > > of the night and get me out of bed because they are afraid.
> > >They
> > > > > > > > > call me when I'm eating my breakfast or lunch or supper and
>I
> > > > > > > > > talk to them as they cry and tell me how frightened they are
>and
> > > > > > > > > how they want to kill themselves.  If they have multiple
> > > > > > > > > personalities, I talk to them when they call or if one of
>their
> > > > > > > > > personalities emails me, I email them back and attempt to
> > >comfort
> > > > > > > > > them.  I schedule regular appointments of prayer times with
>them
> > > > > > > > > so the Lord can continue to reach into their lives of fear
>and
> > > > > > > > > guilt and shame and loneliness and anxiety and pain to heal
> > >them.
> > > > > > > > > How long do I continue to minister to them?  Until they are
> > >whole
> > > > > > > > > and healed from everything.  Is that possible?  If it is
>not,
> > >you
> > > > > > > > > are serving the wrong God.  Aren't these people crazy
>people?
> > >No,
> > > > > > > > > they are hurting people whom the Lord not only wants to heal
>but
> > > > > > > > > can and does.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      If you are one of the suffering silent people and need
> > > > > > > > > ministry, call me.  If you are a pastor and need ministry,
>call
> > > > > > > > > me.  If you are a pastor's wife and are trapped by fear and
> > > > > > > > > there's no one to tell, call me.  If you are a pastor or
> > > > > > > > > missionary or church leader, and find yourself addicted to
> > > > > > > > > pornography, call me.  If you are a mixed up confused mom
>who is
> > > > > > > > > hearing voices in your head and you want to kill yourself,
>call
> > > > > > > > > me.  If you've been raped or molested and can't seem to find
> > > > > > > > > comfort after all these years, call me.  If you are sexually
> > > > > > > > > confused about your identity, call me.  If you have
>nightmares,
> > >if
> > > > > > > > > you are suicidal, or if you've attempted suicide, call me.
>If
> > > > > > > > > you've lost a loved one and the grief is over powering and
>it
> > >just
> > > > > > > > > doesn't get any better, call me.  If you are an obsessive
> > > > > > > > > compulsive, call me.  If you have committed the unpardonable
> > >sin,
> > > > > > > > > call me.  If you doubt your salvation, call me.  If you have
> > > > > > > > > become involved in an affair, call me.  If you are a throw
>away,
> > > > > > > > > call me.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >      I am not a professional but I am an intercessor.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Phil.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    Whatever you delete today, you desperately need tomorrow
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >    Whatever you delete today, you desperately need tomorrow
> > > >
> >
> > John
> >
> >    Daddy, why doesn't this magnet pick up this floppy ?
> >

John

   Daddy, why doesn't this magnet pick up this floppy ?