I recently went about some research on the best way to time meals  
training.  The top link on Google was a running website, and a guy  
(or could be a girl) explained how he eats high carb diets, but once  
was out running in the evening and got so hungry he had to beg for  
money for a Mars bar.  I felt sorry for him struggling with his diet  
so I explained why he was having trouble *because of* his diet, not  
*despite it*.

OH HOW I HAVE LEARNT MY LESSON!!!

The thread has now turned into an huge battle of Caveman vs Farmer,  
Baker and Toffee Stick maker and is taking up more than an hour a day  
of my time to reply to.

It has come down to two things I would like some advice on.

* First, I have stated the (I can say this outloud here) FACT that  
veganism is unhealthy.  This has been disputed by a vegan on the site  
("fairly middle-of-the-road as vegans go, not massively strict about  
small traces of animal products").  She has rejected beyondveg.com as  
proof that veganism is unhealthy, and I doubt I can even get her to  
read westonaprice.org.

She has challenged me to find a peer reviewed article that proves  
that vegetarianism is unhealthy.  I am resisting the urge to tell her  
that when her teeth start falling out, she could consider that  
proof.  Apparently she has access to ATHENS so can access journals.

I find it frustrating that I have to find scientific evidence that  
the world is round, but for some reason, while people believe stupid  
things for stupid reasons, they require highly intelligent reasons to  
prove they are wrong.

* Second, I stated that high athletic performance can be achieved  
while in ketosis, and that while carbohydrates can be used as a  
source of energy, their overuse will limit performance.  An  
interesting article at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? 
cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2308519&dopt=Abstra shows that in  
rats, glycogen is restored in ketosis-adapted animals while still  
eating high fat, and a sudden supply of carbohydrates is used  
efficiently to increase performance, whereas the converse is not true.

So I was wondering- does anyone know of any research that could  
demonstrate that it is possible to achieve high levels of althetic  
performance while in long-term ketosis?

Unfortunately, due to dogma-induced tunnel-vision, explaining that a  
*typical* member of a North American tribe could run down and kill a  
buffalo is useless.  My example that I have to use the phrase "VO2  
max" at least three times per post or I am looked at like I'm talking  
in Swahili.

Help much appreciated.  I don't expect to win the argument because  
nobody on the forum is going to listen to me anyway (they don't even  
LOOK AT the links I post).  But it will sharpen my paleo debating  
skills :D

Ashley

PS  I've resisted linking to the thread in case I get accused of  
bringing the boys round.  Although if anyone is interesting there's a  
LOT of reading.