Amen!!!


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: Revisiting accessible amateur radio study materials.


> I'd very seriously doubt there are many if any out there that don't get
> their license just because they have to listen to the material on a tape
> or
> MP3 CD,  this discussion is getting ridiculous now as I think it was from
> the beginning, I'm pulling out of this one now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Louis Kim Kline" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Revisiting accessible amateur radio study materials.
>
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I think you are missing the point.  It isn't how many hams do have their
>> license, but how many people miss out on getting their licenses primarily
>> over accessibility issues.  Why do we always defend second best just
>> because that is the way it has been done in the past?
>> --Lou K2LKK
>>
>> At 07:34 PM 1/15/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>>>Darrell, while I doubt seriously that "full access" as you define it is
>>>"critical" as many hams have their licenses and are blind, your point is
>>>well
>>>taken.  Remember that Handi-Hams is an organization which requires
>>>membership
>>>just as any other.  The fact that they provide books to members for a fee
>>>means
>>>they are not required to follow ADA or related guidelines as would be the
>>>case
>>>if the materials were open to all.  You have discussed Bookshare as a
>>>source for
>>>a scan of materials but they are also a fee based service.  I don't see
>>>any
>>>difference except in the product they sell.  To obtain the kind of access
>>>you
>>>want does require specific and often expensive equipment thus making it
>>>accessible to those who can afford the appropriate gear in large
>>>part.  Braille
>>>or distribution through NLS would seem to be the way to go with this.
>>>
>>>Just as the blindness community cannot agree on many things it is likely
>>>they
>>>will not agree on this particular question but I very definitely agree
>>>that at
>>>the very least if a book is made available the complete book should be
>>>available
>>>from study aids to the index to title page information so that it can be
>>>used as
>>>a reference if appropriate etc.  Bookshare seems an iffie source for
>>>accessible
>>>texts available nowhere else as its use requires both that the user have
>>>an
>>>accessible computer and know how to use it.  It also requires that the
>>>user be a
>>>Bookshare member.  Such does not constitute accessibility to many people.
>>>In
>>>fact, most blind people do not use computers.  I do use a computer but,
>>>for
>>>several reasons, do not belong to Bookshare.  If we are going to talk
>>>accessibility, let's talk real accessibility and talk about availability
>>>via
>>>NLS.  Books are available through their web site if you wish to go that
>>>way.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>Tom Brennan  KD5VIJ, CCC-A/SLP
>>>web page http://titan.sfasu.edu/~g_brennantg/sonicpage.html
>>
>> Louis Kim Kline
>> A.R.S. K2LKK
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