from wade
>
> The debate about healing diabetes seems simple enough, go to a clinic and
heal a
> few hundred.

 you missed the point . what bernard advocate and encourage  is self
responsibility , most of the peoples who are in a clinic are people who have
given their power away to experts to cured them .a few will learn the
lesson,  get back their power and change their life style and a tiny amount
will be ready for a drastic change to really heal .

nobody can heal somebody else !

from jerry
 <This will control the diabetes but not cure it. To prove this
<put the "cured" patient back on a "standard American diet" and in less than
a
<month the patient will again meet all of the diabetic criteria. Show me a
<clinical test where this has been done and the patient remained diabetic
free.

what is the point ? as long you can be symptom free when changing your life
style ,  it is good enough for  me to call this healing . i have a friend
who had full blown multiple sclerosis, then he changed his life style
drastically  and he have been remaining symptom free for 15 years , as long
he stick to a raw paleo diet called instinctive eating . BUt as soon he go
back to cooked foods , symptoms are reappearing over time .
he tells himself to be in a temporary remission .


By the way i learned that my indian friend who managed to be symptoms free
from his asthma for few years have developped symptoms again because he
stopped eating a raw diet



what does it shows ?
that once your life took a certain bend you can straighten it back and as
long you stay away from what created the bend in the first place you can
maintain it but  if you don't,  the bend is going to give in first ..

i believe that every experience an organism goes thru is recorded in   its
genetic , not necessary as  codant genes but it is there and one remakes of
the experience can trigger a response .
the symptoms are manifestations of the organism response to certains
unhealthy conditions ( it takes time for them to establish) , they can be
seen as the organism  attempt to maintain integrity and homeostasis , a
rebalancing act .
if the conditions are changed the symptoms becomes useless and vanished .
the return of the conditions will in no time get the body ready to
reestablish symptoms .

the same conditions don't give rise to the same  symptoms in different
peoples  the body physiology is too complex for that .

what do you say to all the people who thru the 12 steps program have been
managing their disease very well as long they don't go back to the drink or
other addictions.?

that they are not cured ?

 they knows that,  they are suceptible to relapse if they even start with
one glass , their disease ( or tendancy ) never disappear but many have been
free a life time and consider themselves to have healed .


jean-claude