Well, I've had a couple of fairly close calls but was too much of a
coward on one occasion.  On another it was simply an attack of the enemy
for me to use a knife to cut myself.  That day I had to go into the
kitchen only to pass through it but not to stay and I had my hands
firmly in my mouth and held by my teeth because I knew the attack was
fierce and I did not want to give into the enemy.  Yes, God kept me!  I
didn't do it though thought about it a lot.

I can now get alongside people who maybe go further than I did and,
hopefully, show them there is a point in life.


--
Carol
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Sent: 16 September 2004 13:00
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Still rolling it around for all it means


Carol,

No, we can't save or rather be used by God to help bring salvation to
all such folks. Having gone through what I refer to as "situational
depression" after I realized my sight was headed south, and having
difficulties with marriage and etc. I too went throuigh these thoughts.
I considered in my mind how it might be done to not jepardize insurance
money, a blind accident, and when all sorted out, I figured it wasn't
worth that. Nothing is worth losing one's life over. It is then when I
turned things around. I guess it is at this point where some continue
the downwrd spiral. Plus my wife had a close call with it, and also has
had severe bouts with these thoughts in a bottom of seasons of
depression.

Brad




At 09:10 AM 9/16/2004 +0100, Carol Pearson wrote:
>Brad, I entered with you into some of those feelings and am so sorry
>about this.  Only last week I shared at length with a Christian friend
>(much younger than myself) who has "a mental illness problem" and she'd

>tried three times that week to commit suicide.  I asked her what was
>going on in her mind and whether she had planned it.  She told me she'd

>planned the first two episodes down to the last minute . . . went ahead

>. . . alone.  It's a miracle she didn't die because she took enough
>stuff for both of us.  Then the third she didn't even plan . . . it
>just happened.  Now she can't even understand herself but I know God
>understands where she was and why it happened.  When I see that kind of

>progression and know Satan's influence in a life, it makes me very
>cross indeed!  On Monday evening I spoke to another lady who wanted to
>commit suicide.  Perhaps she was prevented that day by the kind
>intervention of God!  He sent a friend along who (on seeing the
>situation) stayed with her all day!
>
>Yes, we need to look out for these hurting people and bring them to
>Jesus for His healing.  Brad, don't beat yourself up though because, if

>Jesus had wanted you to be involved in this person's life, He would
>have told you and I know you would have responded!  We can't (sadly)
>save everyone, but we can pluck some from the fire.  Let's all pray He
>shows us those we can help and then get on and do it!
>
>
>--
>Carol
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>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Echurch-USA The Electronic Church
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Vicki and The
>Rors
>Sent: 16 September 2004 01:44
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Still rolling it around for all it means
>
>
>Brad,
>
>I'm so sorry.  My cousin back when I was a teen committed suicide, so I

>have some personal knowledge too of some of the feelings.  I cried with

>you. It's a tragic thing.  Will pray for those kids, and you all too.
>
>Vicki
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brad Dunse" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:30 PM
>Subject: Still rolling it around for all it means
>
>
> > Pamela Nelson. Ever heard of her?
> >
> > Neither have I until two days ago. In fact I've never met her, never
>saw=20
> > her, or even spoken to her. Yet I have yet to still think of the
> > total=20 impact she has had on my thoughts as I sort out in my mind
> > what she has=20 given me to think about. To my knowledge she's never

> > accomplished
>anything=
> > =20
> > of public notoriety in life, as most of us living our lives day in
> > and
>day=
> > =20
> > out. In fact the healthcare trade proved to be the chosen means of
> > making
>a=
> > =20
> > living and not a great communicator, author, or other such
> > profession.=20 Young woman of late 30's early forties, married, two
> > teen age kids,=20 residing in the same town as I, in fact only four
> > doors down from me.=20 Pamela decided to give many much to think on
> > around noon Monday when
>she=20
> > pulled the trigger and ended her life. This, the second suicide in
> > our=20 little town in the past week where yet another woman of 44
> > years young,=20 married and kids to leave behind wondering why. My
> > wife told me around
>3:30=
> > =20
> > or so there was four police cars, an ambulance and other cars down
> > the=20 street, the two kids were out in the yard crying. One of my
> > wife's=20 customer's dad lives next to the Nelsons and was woken out

> > of a sleep=20 around noon from his third shift night time sleep. I
> > heard that Mr.
>Nelson=
> > =20
> > was yet on his way home from work for the day. My suspicions and
> > fears
>of=20
> > what happened were confirmed last night at church music practice. No
>doubt=
> > =20
> > it was the children who walked in the house to say "Hi mom we're
> > home!
>Can=
> > =20
> > I go to the skate park or over to Jimmy's?" and instead found their
>lives=20
> > irreversibly changed. One of the children, Luke 16 years old, a
> > young
>man=20
> > my son skateboards, bikes and eats lunch with at school everyday,
> > and
>is=20
> > somewhere between acquaintance and friend of my son, and his younger
>sister=
> > =20
> > of 14 must be going through one of the most difficult times of their
>lives.=
> > =20
> > Please pray for this family. I couldn't help but be extremely
> > bothered
>by=20
> > this inside. Suicide has always been sensitive to me. It is such a
>waste=20
> > and the thoughts which lead up to it, a lie from the pit of hell.
>Nothing=20
> > is worth ending one's own life. No job, no spouse, no money problem,

> > no=20 nothing. I also couldn't help feeling so useless in life. Week

> > by week
>we=20
> > do our bit in church, play music, sing to God and encourage others
> > to
>enter=
> > =20
> > into worship, take our time to practice together and at home apart
> > from
>a=20
> > group, go to our jobs, spend some time with our own family, go
> > shopping
>and=
> > =20
> > the errands we need to do to make life roll along. And all the while
>four=20
> > doors down a young woman suffers so much from depression and lies
> > being=20 told her, and remains separated from God, missing out on
> > the peace and=20 comfort and help we as Christians so much rely on
> > to get us through
>life=20
> > these days, and I am totally oblivious to her suffering. If perhaps
>someone=
> > =20
> > were to have told her, have shown her that there is hope no matter
> > what=20 things look like right now. If she was guided and encouraged

> > to find
>that=20
> > victory we enjoy daily, perhaps today she'd be making supper for her
>family=
> > =20
> > saying "OK, kids go get your dad, and  wash your hands we're gonna
>eat."=20
> > and I'd not be writing this. I have yet to have this sink in to its
>full=20
> > capacity as I'm still stunned and bothered by the reality of it.
> > Sort
>of=20
> > ironic isn't it? We take part in helping those in the area, the
> > city,
>the=20
> > county, the state , the USA, the world and someone four doors down
>shows=20
> > the real perspective yet there's nothing you can do now to   change
>how=20
> > that perspective was brought to you and they have forfeited the
>ultimate=20
> > gift=85 life.
> >
> > Please pray for this family.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
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>
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