Susan,
Good to hear of your experiments. Re reading the equation lines back with
JAWS, have you tried labelling the unspoken symbols and using the JAWS
cursor? I found some success with this method. You would need to set JAWS to
'All graphics' and manually label each graphic symbol. I don't think this
was successful with all, but certainly made some difference as I recall.

I shall explore your examples when I can, probably early next year after my
extended leave.

Good luck and keep up the exciting work and feedback.

Regards,
Tom.
-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Osterhaus [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2001 7:54
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Maths & Science software for VI


Since I last wrote, my Algebra II students and I have been experimenting.
We have been working with matrices using Scientific Notebook and JAWS. For
example, we've been able to come up with a technique to solve systems of
equations and find regression lines with a little bit of help (fastest
method) or totally independently (via a slower method). (You may prefer to
try voice recognition software from Metroplex Voice Computing. See contact
information below.)

SAMPLE PROBLEMS:
1. Solve the system
2x+3y+z=13
5x-2y-4z=7
4x+5y+3z=25
Open JAWS. Open Scientific Notebook (SN). Enter Alt I. Select Matrix. Tab
through columns and rows and select 3x3. Enter 2, tab, enter 3, tab, enter
1 tab, etc (i.e. the coefficients of each variable). When the matrix is
filled, hit space bar once. Then enter Alt I. Select Matrix. Select 3x1.
Enter x, tab, enter y, tab, enter z. Hit space bar once. Enter =. Enter Alt
I. Select Matrix. Select 3x1. Enter 13, tab, enter 7, tab, enter 25 (i.e
the constants). Hit space bar once. Enter Alt M. Select Solve, and then
Exact. The solution appears as a 3x1 matrix with entries 3, 2, and 1. Shift
left arrow will read the three answers correctly this time. However, if any
of the numbers were negative, it would not read the negative. If any of the
numbers were a fraction, it would not read them as such. For example, 1/2
would be read as "one, two." The fastest method would be to simply ask a
sighted person to read the screen. However, the student can print a print
copy for the math teacher either one problem at a time or after the entire
assignment is completed. Before or after printing the print copy, the
student can save the SN file and bring the file up in DBT WIN 10.3 via the
LaTeX importer and then translate it. The formatting is awful (Duxbury has
informed me that they will not be fixing the table, chart, matrix, etc.
formatting problems at this time.); however, the student can scan through
the mess and find the words "Solution is: 3, 2, 1." Alternatively, the
student may wish to use the Nemeth filter from MAVIS at NMSU.

2. Find an equation of the regression line given certain data points. Then
graph it.
Open JAWS. Open Scientific Notebook. Enter Alt I. Select Matrix. Tab
through columns and rows and select #x2, where # stands for the number of
points + 1. For example if you had 7 data points, you would select an 8x2
matrix. Enter x tab y and then all of the data points (making a "T" or data
table). When the data table (matrix) is filled, hit space bar once. Enter
Alt M. Select Statistics. Select Fit Curve to Data. Select last column for
the dependent variable and Mutiple Regression (default). The regression
line equation appears. Again, JAWS will not read the regression line
equation correctly. At this point, the student can ask a sighted person to
read the equation, print the equations out, or translate through DBT WIN
10.3. After the regression line equation is determined, it should be
entered into the Accessible Graphing Calculator and graphed. The graph can
be printed in print for the math teacher, printed with a braille font and
copied onto swell paper and run through a tactile imaging machine, embossed
on a TIGER Advantage embosser, and/or the student can listen to the
audiowave.

If you are freaking out at this point, thinking that you or your students
could never do all this, my students are doing it. My most proficient
student is only a sophomore. He can also solve systems manually using the
graphing, substitution, and linear combination method. He liked four out of
the five methods I showed him; he didn't like using Cranmer's Rule. You can
also perform other operations on matrices using JAWS and Scientific
Notebook with similar techniques. Contact information for the
math/translation software mentioned follows:

MacKichan Software, Inc.
600 Ericksen, Suite 300
Bainbridge Island, WA 98110
Phone: 1-877-SCI-NOTE
Fax: 1-206-780-2857
E-mail: [log in to unmask]
Website: http://www.mackichan.com
With Scientific Notebook, create attractive documents with text,
mathematics, and graphics, have it compute the solutions, import data from
your graphing calculator, connect to the Internet and download documents,
then translate to Nemeth Code and/or convert to large print. (See MAVIS.)

Mathematics Accessible to Visually Impaired Students (MAVIS)
Chris Weaver, MAVIS Program Coordinator
New Mexico State University
Math Department MSC 3MB
P.O. Box 30001
Las Cruces, NM 88003
Phone:(505) 646-2664
Fax: (505) 646-1064
Email: [log in to unmask]
Website: http://www.nmsu.edu/~mavis
Nemeth Code filter that translates Scientific Notebook documents containing
mathematics to Nemeth Code. "The fast production of Scientific Notebook
files on a Braille embosser means that visually impaired students can
obtain class handouts, syllabi, exams, and other course materials in the
sciences in real time. And it means that institutions can comply more
easily with federal disability regulations." (see MacKichan Software, Inc.)

ViewPlus Software, Inc.
Business Enterprise Center
Contact Person: Carolyn Gardner
800 NW Starker Avenue
Corvallis, OR 97330
Phone: (541) 754 4002
Fax: (541) 738 6505
E-mail: [log in to unmask]
Website: http://www.viewplussoft.com/
The Accessible Graphing Calculator is a self-voicing graphing scientific
calculator program. Unlike a hand-held calculator, it displays results
through speech and sounds, as well as visually presenting numbers and
graphs. Braille graphics can be created directly via the TIGER embosser
(See ViewPlus Technologies, Inc.) or indirectly using a tactile imaging
machine.
ViewPlus Technologies, Inc.

Metroplex Voice Computing
P.O Box 121984
Arlington, TX 76012
Phone: (817) 261-1658
Fax: (817) 543-1103
E-mail: [log in to unmask]
Website: http://www.metroplexvoice.com
Speech recognition software products including several mathematics programs.
MathTalkProTM - runs Scientific NotebookTM with over 2,000 voiced commands.
MTP is for all levels of math. Scientific Notebook includes MapleTM and
graphing capabilities. For more details on Scientific Notebook, (see
MacKichan Software, Inc). MathTalkPro will be available with an optional
Nemeth Code Converter© that translates the mathematics into Braille (See
MAVIS ).

Susan

At 12:40 PM 10/31/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Hello to all,
>
>I have finally subscribed to the main EASI list after being on the EASI-SEM
>list for some time. After generating a little discussion a couple of months
>ago, that list now seems to have been wound up. I am copying, below, a
>message I tried to send to that list a week or two back, and hope that it
>reaches not only those with whom I have recently communicated on the
>easi-sem list, but also others who may have some interest and experience in
>this particular area.
>
>By way of a brief intro, I work as an education adviser in the area of
>assistive technology for students with vision impairment, employed by
>Education Queensland, Australia, and am blind myself. I have been with the
>Ed Dept for twenty years, but spent the first fifteen of those as a music
>specialist and music therapist. The main AT I use is JAWS for Windows, Open
>Book and a Braille Lite 40.
>
>Now, to the main subject of this message: --
>..
>.
>I promised to get back to the list after our two week vacation period.
>Unfortunately, more pressing work requirements have kept me from getting my
>head back around this subject.
>
>I still haven't received much feedback from one or two folk trialing
>programs such as the AGC (Accessible Graphing Calculator) with students and
>it looks like our little special interest group/working party will not
>manage another workshop session this year. With our Summer vacation looming
>and some extended leave I'm taking from Mid
>November, time is running out fast for 2001.
>
>However, if anyone still wants to keep things simmering along, or has any
>new discoveries re using software such as Scientific Notebook or MathType
>Editor with screen readers such as JAWS or WindowEyes, or has had
experience
>with using Accessible Graphing Calc with high school students, I'd still
>love
>to hear from you.
>
>Hoping to be in touch and able to share more again soon.
>
>Regards,
>Tom.
>
>Tom Macmahon
>Education Adviser
>Adaptive Technology Services
>Low Incidence Unit, Education Queensland
>141 Merton Road
>WOOLLOONGABBA, Q 4102
>AUSTRALIA.
>Ph:    61/7 3240-9360
>Fax:   61/7 3240-9300
>Web:   http://education.qld.gov.au/tal/liu/
>Email: [log in to unmask]
>
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