Well, either we don't spend enough time or we spend to much time. There are
people who take it to a crazy extreme. Where everything is a demon. Not
every bad memory or false belief is placed in us by a demon.
Shelly
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----- Original Message -----
From: "lelia" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Counselors Confronting Demons


> Honestly Phil, I truly don't think a lot of pastors would know what to do
if
> a demon confronted them.  I think the sad thing about today is that we
don't
> spend enough time teaching about spiritual warfare or demonic actuvity.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Lelia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:29 PM
> Subject: Counselors Confronting Demons
>
>
> > Thinking out loud, as it were, I was wondering this afternoon as I
thought
> > about all that is being discussed on echurch, what the average Christian
> > counselor, psychologist, or psychiatrist would do if a demon manifested
> > itself during a normal every day counseling session?  If the demonic
> > infestation was due to a strong hold, he very likely would literally
speak
> > through the person's own voice.  Sometimes they, the client, knows it
and
> > sometimes they don't.  Would some form of medication be immediately
> > administered, if they were licensed to do so, or would they just
consider
> > that it was a multiple personality manifesting itself in the person.
> Would
> > they know, Christian or not, how to tell the difference between an
> alternate
> > personality or a real demon?  Do they even believe demons can do such a
> > thing?  What if the counselor is scared spitless and the demon is, in
> fact,
> > a real manifestation of evil?  Of course, at this point, the unclean
> spirit
> > would have the advantage over the counselor because demons work in the
> area
> > of fear and when they see it, they go for it.  What if, as happened to
me
> > once, a demon manifests itself through the person's voice and says, My
> name
> > is Lucifer.  Or what, as happened to me, a demon speaks through a person
> and
> > says, we aren't leaving and you can't make us leave.  I wonder if the
> > average Christian counselor would know what was going on or what to do
> next.
> > I wonder if even a Christian psychologist or psychiatrist would know
what
> > was going on and what to do next?  I know some who would but not because
> > they got their degree from a secular college, university, or even a
> > seminary.  To make the point even clearer, I wonder if the average
pastor
> > was counseling someone in his church and this happened, what he would
do?
> > In one of Neal Anderson's books, he had a pastor in his office with him
> with
> > a lady from the man's own church.  As soon as the demonic manifestation
> came
> > out, the pastor tried to run out the door but Neal stopped him and
taught
> > him what to do.  Thank you Jesus for not leaving us defenseless against
> the
> > wiles of the devil.  Now the big question.  Can a Christian counselor,
> which
> > some say that I am, or a Christian psychologist, or a Christian
> psychiatrist
> > heal you?  They can help you and bless God they do help lots of people.
> > Most of what they do is help people cope and they even use the Bible to
> help
> > you cope.  Ok, that's fine, and there's nothing wrong with that.  What
if
> > you could be healed, though?  What if your fear could be literally
removed
> > by the Holy Spirit and your mind totally renewed.  Wouldn't that be
better
> > than coping with life as a Christian?  What if Jesus could, through
> prayer,
> > lead you to a memory and the guilt and shame and terror of that memory
be
> > totally obliterated to the point it never comes back again?  Yet you can
> > return to the very memory any time you wish and there is nothing there
> that
> > can hurt you any more?  Wouldn't that be better than coping with life as
a
> > Christian?  How is it that a little girl who has been raped by her
father
> > ever get over the fear and the terror and the anger?  Besides, isn't
that
> > justifiable to have those emotions?  If so, why are they in the
counselors
> > office at 40 trying to find answers?  Why are they on antidepressants?
> What
> > if the Lord God could invade her memory and remove all, I said all, the
> pain
> > and doubt and fear and emotional pain and physical pain, and the screams
> of
> > that little girl, and the mother who didn't care because she was too
drunk
> > to care, and the haunting  words of an evil father who threatened to
kill
> > her if she told any one, and the nightmares she now has as an adult
woman
> > because of what had been done to her 45 or 50 years ago, what if a
loving
> > God could literally remove it all and replace it with love and holiness
> and
> > purity of mind and heart?  Wouldn't that be better than coping with life
> as
> > a Christian?  What if a little boy is made subject to a Satanic cult
where
> > men in a room forced human male excretions down his throat and made him
> > swallow everything and if he spit it back up, they beat him so he
couldn't
> > even walk.  Can God heal the broken emotions of that little boy or must
he
> > live on drugs the rest of his life as a half of a human being?  If God
> could
> > heal his brokenness and fear and hatred for men and his homosexuality,
> > wouldn't that be better than just coping with life as a Christian?
Where
> is
> > God when we need Him?  Where is God when a girl is literally tied to a
> table
> > and raped repeatedly by grown men and if she cries, they literally turn
on
> > electricity and shock her over and over again.  Doesn't God care about
> these
> > people?  Does God stop loving the woman who gets an abortion, as my
> daughter
> > did two years ago, because she is now a murderer and has slain her own
> flesh
> > and blood?  How does she cope with such excruciating emotional agony
when
> > she is convicted about what she has done?  What about the little boy who
> > grows up with a father who repeatedly, all the time he is growing up,
and
> > even into his adult life, telling him he is a failure, a looser, and not
> > worth spit?  Must he live the rest of his life thinking his father must
be
> > right or is there a God who knows how to get to the root of this lie and
> > remove it once and for all?  I thought the cross meant something?  I
> thought
> > the cross of Christ saved and cured and healed our brokenness but maybe
I
> > was misled.  Maybe you were misled, too?  Where is God in all of this
and
> > why, pray tell, can't He do something about our pain?  The truth is, He
> can.
> > He will.  He does.  There are literally thousands of people all over
this
> > country, and the world for that matter, doing exactly what I do every
day
> > with people and that is pray.  With God, nothing shall be impossible.
Do
> > you really believe that verse or is it just ink on paper to you?  If God
> > cannot help us, then we are truly the most miserable people on earth who
> are
> > serving a God who cannot meet the needs of His people.  I, for one,
won't
> > serve a helpless God like that.  If the best God can do is a doctor who
> > prescribes drugs and offers a list of affirmations for me to read every
> day
> > and a dozen Bible verses to memorize, that is a God of less than enough.
> My
> > bible tells me that one of my God's names we serve is a God of more than
> > enough and more than we need.  If you aren't getting all that God
offers,
> > keep what you have but find someone else who believes more than your
> > therapist believes about God and His miraculous abilities.  Finally, if
> you
> > have a pastor who falls into this same category, keep what you learned
but
> > for your own sake, find some pastor who knows the God of the bible.
> >
> > Phil.
> >