i am forwarding this to the list as i think mags
question was a good one. if anyone wants other
examples i can give them.

--- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:06:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Dumb Limey!!
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>   well one prime example was to confirm exective
> appointments. the presidents cabinate was not
> intended
> to be swayed by popular vote. if they had wanted it
> to
> be effected by popular vote, they'd have had the
> various cabinate officals elected. now with senators
> popularly elected, there is a big element of
> political
> postering involved.
>    another and more blastant example is the judges.
> they wanted no popular voting with judges. 51
> senators
> representing the states could consent. now with
> popular election of senators, lots of special
> interest
> lobbing goes into getting a judge confirmed. since
> 2000 it now takes 60 senators to get confirmation (a
> clear trampling of what the constitution has set)
> becouse of filabustering by the minority. this type
> of
> political activity would never happened if the state
> legislatures had continued to appoint senators as
> the
> founders intended.
>   the founding fathers were very afraid of absolute
> democracy.
>   it is clear from their writings that they were
> afraid of a ignorant or immoral electorate also.
> --- Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > ken, what kind of things would the senators
> > represent the states for? this
> > is an interesting series of emails.
> >
> > And the thing about state's rights is that the
> feds
> > use it when they want
> > to, and when they don't, like with medical
> marijuana
> > they say, no, you have
> > to follow federal law... but the whole drug war
> has
> > been a joke and could
> > be using our money for better things.
> >
> > I hope we get out voting materials this week, as
> I'm
> > tired of the ads for
> > props i don't know about yet!
> >
> > Tamar Mag Raine
> > [log in to unmask]
> > IM: tamarmag48
> > Oakland Mayor's Commission on People with
> > disabilities
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: 10/1/2004 9:29:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Dumb Limey!!
> > >
> > > you r exactly right mike, but, it was set up
> when
> > > there were wigs and toreys not dems and
> > republicans.
> > > the founders did not wantjust a few heveily
> > populated
> > > states running the country. unless you in
> virginia
> > > want what calif. and new york and mass wants
> > including
> > > the taxes, it was designed to keep that from
> > > happening.
> > >  do away with the EC and the country will break
> up
> > in
> > > just a few election cycles. remember you heard
> it
> > here
> > > first.
> > >   also a part of this was the senate. it was
> never
> > > concieved by the founders that the senate would
> be
> > > elected by popular vote. the house was to
> > represent
> > > the people and the senate to represent the
> state.
> > the
> > > popular election of senators has somewhat
> > corrupted
> > > the confimation process for the courts and did
> > away
> > > with an important check and balance of our
> > juditial
> > > branch.
> > > more than you wanted to know probably.
> > > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Deri,
> > > >
> > > > The electoral college comes from states
> rights,
> > and
> > > > each states has a
> > > > certain number of votes, depending upon
> > population.
> > > > California and
> > > > Massachusetts are hugely High density
> Democratic
> > > > strongholds that the
> > > > popular vote from those states would overwhelm
> > the
> > > > popular vote in the
> > > > states which are Republican. Instead of the
> > winner
> > > > take all mentality
> > > > now being shown by the electoral college to
> the
> > > > states, I wonder what
> > > > would happen if we did the math by
> percentages,
> > not
> > > > by winner take all.
> > > > At least those of us voting our protests
> > wouldn't
> > > > feel so left out.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Tag: Warning!  This Powerchair has an attitude
> > > > problem!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: St. John's University Cerebral Palsy
> List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Deri James
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 6:13 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Dumb Limey!!
> > > >
> > > > Can someone tell me what are the advantages of
> > the
> > > > Electoral College
> > > > system
> > > > over more democratic systems.
> > > >
> > > > UK is in the same boat as the USA here - not
> > unknown
> > > > for the "result" to
> > > > not
> > > > match the popular vote. Other European
> countries
> > > > seem to have adopted
> > > > systems
> > > > which produce a parliament which more closely
> > > > matches the popular vote.
> > > >
> > > > I do find it funny that the UK touts its
> > > > "democracy", but in fact the
> > > > system
> > > > is designed to perpetuate 2 party politics,
> > which
> > > > can't possibly
> > > > accurately
> > > > reflect the broad range of opinions in
> society.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Deri
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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