Hey, Brad:
Pipe organs have been a part of worship since at least the 1500's. Back
before electricity,several people were needed to pump the bellows on the
organ while someone else played. It was quite an undertaking, from what I
understand.
Just a clarification on Hammonds; they are not pipe organs. They use tubes
instead. Also, now many churches use digital organs based on pipe organ
samples. THe main reason is that it's cheaper.
As for not liking pipe organ music, nobody's perfect, loll.
Julie
visit me at
www.heart-and-music.com
Keep smiling!
----- Original Message -----
From: "BD" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: response to Brad about our church visit
> Julie,
>
> Curious how long they have been a part of worship. That would be
> interesting. Perhaps it is me, but to be honest I do not care for a pipe
> organ alone, I love the sound of a Hammond organ mixed with other
> instruments, but a bare organ, and not to offend in anyway, I just do not
> care for, it, for me, is grating and a bit distracting rather than helping
> to offer worship. But that is my shortcoming and not anyone elses. They
> must have had a bellow operator to get the air to continue to move through
> the pipes, no doubt it was more than a one person instrument unless he
> had
> a strong leg(so) hehehe.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> At 01/03/2004 on Saturday, you wrote:
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> >Brad,
> >
> >The problem I have with that approach is that some churches throw the =
> >organ out the window altogether. Contrary to your statement, pipe =
> >organs have been around for centuries and have been an integral part of =
> >church worship for a long time. It distresses me to see all that =
> >eroding in the name of being contemporary and "in touch," whatever that =
> >means.
> >
> >Julie, the organist
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: BD=20
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: response to Brad about our church visit
> >
> >
> > Kathy,
> >
> > No need to apologize. My bad experiences as a kid growing up in a =
> >parochial
> > environment ought not flavor my perception of today's denominational
> > churches either as things have changed a great deal in that regard and
> > =
> >for
> > that I do apologize. We use to bring some of the older hymns to the =
> >worship
> > service at COTR, granted much of the worship was more contemporary but
> > there was always songs of more meaning mixed with the simple choruses.
> > =
> >I
> > think what makes the difference with hymns is to use the beautiful and
> > detailed lyrics and melody and structure but make it more sinkable =
> >with
> > more instruments than pipe organ. Even in the traditional days they =
> >had
> > many instruments, and Wurlitzer or whatever company makes the pipe =
> >organs
> > wasn't yet a company hehehe.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 01/02/2004 on Friday, you wrote:
> > >Well everybody,
> > >I admit that my response to Brad may have been a bit on the defensive
> > =
> >and
> > >for that I do appologize. I feel so often that I have to defend the
> > >benefits of tradition that I'm probably a bit too sensitive on the
> > >subject. In reading Brad's second post, I believe that, in most part,
> > =
> >we
> > >are on the same page. Sorry Brad if I sounded a bit harsh.
> > >When Julie mentioned that she attends a church that has both =
> >traditional
> > >and modern music, I had to smile because that's where we are right =
> >now
> > >too. IN fact, after all I've said about tradition, Greg and I are the
> > >ones that are trying to introduce new music into our church. I have =
> >to
> > >say that it is being pretty well received, but I think it helps that
> > =
> >Greg
> > >and I have demonstrated to them again and again how much we also love
> > =
> >the
> > >old hymns and are comfortable doing both. They know that we're not =
> >just
> > >condemning their music and trying to get rid of it. They know that we
> > >love it too and that has helped a lot in them trusting us to bring in
> > =
> >the
> > >new.
> > >I wish that more churches did have a healthy respect for both. I =
> >remember
> > >reading an article by a pastor from our denomination who planted a =
> >church
> > >out in California. For that particular population, he had no choice =
> >but
> > >to use all modern music. Now, after thirty years, his people are =
> >starting
> > >to ask to go deeper and now he's starting to introduce the hymns and
> > >traditions of the church. It's sad that it just takes so long some =
> >times
> > >for people to develop that hunger.
> > >The population here where we are has a lot of dead liberal churches =
> >and
> > >Baptists and Pentecostal churches on the conservative end. Since our
> > >expression is more in the middle of the road, I guess, we get it from
> > >both sides quite a bit which may be one of the reasons that we don't
> > =
> >see
> > >much growth. Ah yes, the prejudice movement is alive and well in the
> > >Christian church. Anyway, we do respect the church calendar, you =
> >know,
> > >celebration of the Advent season, Lent, Pentecost, common time and =
> >all
> > >that. Unfortunately, our people don't know very much about the =
> >richness
> > >of their own tradition so Greg actually took some time last year to
> > >explain why we do what we do, when we do it and it was a real eye =
> >opener
> > >to many. It's easy to point the finger at our people and call them
> > >ignorant, but I think that they are more the norm than the exception.
> > >Traditions become dead when the understanding isn't passed along. =
> >This
> > >will eventually happen in the modern churches as well if they don't
> > >explain what they are doing to their children.
> > >That's why, in the Jewish Sadar, you have the youngest child ask, Why
> > =
> >do
> > >we do this tonight? I'm sorry, I can't remember the three questions
> > >accurately. Paul, help me out here! But, that's a perfect example of
> > >passing on a tradition with its explanation and it is still a living,
> > >essential part of the Jewish faith today even though it was =
> >originally
> > >given about 3,000 years ago.
> > >Brad, it does sound like you've had some pretty bad experiences in =
> >your
> > >upbringing both at school and at church. I'm sorry for that. I'm =
> >sorry
> > >that people took the opportunity to show power instead of God's love,
> > =
> >but
> > >I'm sure that you know that that can happen in a modern church as =
> >well. I
> > >suppose a drastic extreme might be Jim Baker's P.T.L. club, but it =
> >will
> > >happen anywhere people take their eyes off God and start noticing =
> >their
> > >own gain or privilege, giving themselves the glory instead of God. NO
> > >wonder God says that the only heart He can work with is a humble one.
> > >They're the only ones that remain flexible in His service.
> > >IN Him,
> > >Kathy
> > >
> > >________________________________________________________________
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> >Brad,
> >
> >The problem I have with that approach is that some churches throw = the
> >organ=20 out the window altogether. Contrary to your statement, pipe
> >organs = have=20 been around for centuries and have been an integral part
> >of church = worship for a=20 long time. It distresses me to see all that
> >eroding in the name of = being=20 contemporary and "in touch," whatever
> >that means.
> >
> >Julie, the organist
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <3d.htm>BD
> >To: [log in to unmask] TJOHNS.EDU=20
> >Sent: Saturday, January 03, = 2004 8:56=20 AM
> >Subject: Re: response to Brad = about our=20 church visit
> >
> >Kathy,
> >
> >No need to apologize. My bad experiences = as a kid=20 growing up in a
> >parochial
> >environment ought not flavor my = perception of=20 today's denominational
> >churches either as things have changed a = great deal=20 in that regard
> >and for
> >that I do apologize. We use to bring some of = the=20 older hymns to the
> >worship
> >service at COTR, granted much of the = worship was=20 more contemporary
> >but
> >there was always songs of more meaning mixed = with the=20 simple
> >choruses. I
> >think what makes the difference with hymns is to = use the=20 beautiful
> >and
> >detailed lyrics and melody and structure but = make it=20 more sinkable
> >with
> >more instruments than pipe organ. Even in the=20 traditional days they
> >had
> >many instruments, and Wurlitzer or = whatever=20 company makes the pipe
> >organs
> >wasn't yet a company=20 hehehe.
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 01/02/2004 on Friday, you=20 wrote:
> > >Well everybody,
> > >I admit that my response to Brad = may have=20 been a bit on the
> > defensive and
> > >for that I do appologize. I = feel so=20 often that I have to defend
> > >the
> > >benefits of tradition that I'm = probably=20 a bit too sensitive on the
> > >subject. In reading Brad's second = post, I=20 believe that, in most
> > part, we
> > >are on the same page. Sorry Brad = if I=20 sounded a bit harsh.
> > >When Julie mentioned that she attends a = church=20 that has both
> > traditional
> > >and modern music, I had to smile = because=20 that's where we are right
> > >now
> > >too. IN fact, after all I've said = about=20 tradition, Greg and I are
> > >the
> > >ones that are trying to introduce = new=20 music into our church. I
> > >have to
> > >say that it is being pretty = well=20 received, but I think it helps
> > that Greg
> > >and I have = demonstrated to=20 them again and again how much we also
> > love the
> > >old hymns and = are=20 comfortable doing both. They know that we're not
> > = just
> > >condemning their=20 music and trying to get rid of it. They know that
> > >we
> > >love it = too and=20 that has helped a lot in them trusting us to bring
> > in = the
> > >new.
> > >I=20 wish that more churches did have a healthy respect for both. I=20
> > remember
> > >reading an article by a pastor from our denomination = who=20 planted a
> > church
> > >out in California. For that particular = population, he=20 had no
> > >choice but
> > >to use all modern music. Now, after thirty = years, his=20 people are
> > starting
> > >to ask to go deeper and now he's starting = to=20 introduce the hymns
> > >and
> > >traditions of the church. It's sad that = it just=20 takes so long some
> > times
> > >for people to develop that = hunger.
> > >The=20 population here where we are has a lot of dead liberal
> > churches=20 and
> > >Baptists and Pentecostal churches on the conservative end. = Since=20
> > >our
> > >expression is more in the middle of the road, I guess, we = get it=20
> > >from
> > >both sides quite a bit which may be one of the reasons = that we=20
> > don't see
> > >much growth. Ah yes, the prejudice movement is alive = and well=20 in
> > >the
> > >Christian church. Anyway, we do respect the church = calendar, you=20
> > >know,
> > >celebration of the Advent season, Lent, Pentecost, common = time=20 and
> > >all
> > >that. Unfortunately, our people don't know very much = about the=20
> > >richness
> > >of their own tradition so Greg actually took some time = last=20 year
> > >to
> > >explain why we do what we do, when we do it and it was = a real=20 eye
> > opener
> > >to many. It's easy to point the finger at our people = and=20 call them
> > >ignorant, but I think that they are more the norm = than the=20
> > >exception.
> > >Traditions become dead when the understanding isn't = passed=20 along.
> > >This
> > >will eventually happen in the modern churches as = well if=20 they
> > >don't
> > >explain what they are doing to their = children.
> > >That's=20 why, in the Jewish Sadar, you have the youngest child ask,
> > >Why
> > = do
> > >we do=20 this tonight? I'm sorry, I can't remember the three=20
> > >questions
> > >accurately. Paul, help me out here! But, that's a = perfect=20 example
> > >of
> > >passing on a tradition with its explanation and it = is still=20 a
> > >living,
> > >essential part of the Jewish faith today even though = it was=20
> > >originally
> > >given about 3,000 years ago.
> > >Brad, it does = sound like=20 you've had some pretty bad experiences in
> > >your
> > >upbringing both = at=20 school and at church. I'm sorry for that. I'm
> > >sorry
> > >that people = took=20 the opportunity to show power instead of God's
> > love, but
> > >I'm = sure that=20 you know that that can happen in a modern church as
> > well. = I
> > >suppose a=20 drastic extreme might be Jim Baker's P.T.L. club, but it =
> > >will
> > >happen=20 anywhere people take their eyes off God and start noticing =
> > >their
> > >own=20 gain or privilege, giving themselves the glory instead of
> > >God.=20 NO
> > >wonder God says that the only heart He can work with is a = humble=20
> > >one.
> > >They're the only ones that remain flexible in His=20 service.
> > >IN=20 = Him,
> > >Kathy
> > >
> > >________________________________________= ________________________
> > >The=20 best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> > >Surf = the web=20 up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
> > >Only $14.95/ month - visit <3d.him>www.juno.com to sign up=20 today!
> >
> >
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