Joe,

As of now I am writing as a concerned fellow-traveller. The dramaturgy here,
however high the voltage, is not that of war and will not be one. When the
rest of us have taken leave of the list for various reasons, it is Sister
Jabou, El Hajj Tapha, Conteh, and yourself among others who have been
tirelessly carrying on the mantel of consistent opposition. And I find all
this sad episode deeply troubling as I just happen to have first listened to
a recording of the Tam-Tam call-in radio programme on a CD El Hajj sent me.
Listening to all those voices of protest has subjectively brought us all
closer. We must thuerefore be losing sight of something when discourse
degenerates to the level it now has, and especially so because having been
generated by an issue that has been a bane of post independence Africa's
search for identity.

This is not a court of law and there will be no arbitration here. So the
call for proof here and there will remain just a call. I beg of all of you
to refocus on the real issues ravaging the psyche of Gambians and break new
grounds on the ways forward. You are all going to march on the 9th, are you
not?!

Good night,
Momodou S Sidibeh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/Joe Sambou


> Sidebeh, while I understand your caution, but this is no time for me to
> regard these scum with dignity.  This is one of those times that, while I
> will vegorously defend my integrity, I shall tell these scum what I really
> think of them in the process.  It's better than war, ain't it?  They will
> think twice to come here and spread such a stinker again.  I stand accused
> for my choice of words but this event shall be folled to its end.  Sorry
to
> disappoint.  Now, if the mangers find it within their powers to delist me,
I
> do understand their responsibilities.
>
> Chi Jaama
>
> Joe Sambou
>
>
> >From: Momodou S Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/Joe Sambou
> >Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 01:22:36 +0200
> >
> >Brother Joe Sambou,
> >
> >Mr. Conteh's accusative question and Sister Jabou's rejoinder following
it
> >were readily provocative. Perhaps your responses would have been
different
> >if you did not feel accused.
> >All the same, I have no doubts whatsoever, that you could muster up your
> >own
> >defense without deploying the barrage of insults and profanities replete
in
> >your latest messages. The insults are completely unwarranted and I hope
you
> >will refrain from continuing to do so.
> >
> >Momodou S Sidibeh
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 12:32 AM
> >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/Joe Sambou
> >
> >
> > > No Jabou, you have lied and are not going to wiggle out of this one.
If
> > > calling you a tired ass is profanity, then you will get a lot of it
> >coming
> > > to ya.  I am going to hound your old ass till you cough it up.  That
is
> >a
> > > promise I shall keep.
> > >
> > > Chi Jaama
> > >
> > > Joe Sambou
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/Joe Sambou
> > > >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:16:55 EDT
> > > >
> > > >Joe,
> > > >
> > > >You have lost all sense of reality. Why do you think that endorsing
the
> > > >candidacy of Jasseh Conteh has to have anything to do with attacking
> >you
> > > >first? If
> > > >I or anyone else wanted to endorse Conteh, why would we need an
excuse?
> >I
> > > >think you are assigning too much importance to yourself.
> > > >While you are trying to lump people and find reasons to label them
with
> > > >your
> > > >wild imaginings, another observation I have made about you is that
you
> > > >always
> > > >go after those who are especially hard on Jammeh and his illegal
> >regime.
> > > >I hope that does not send you into another profanity binge.
> > > >
> > > >Jabou Joh
> > > >
> > > >In a message dated 4/6/04 2:44:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > >[log in to unmask] writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > Elhajj, you are too funny!
> > > > >
> > > > > "I, for one, heavily suspected you after our Tam Tam interview,
when
> >you
> > > > > said you were
> > > > > aware of everything happening on the ground"
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for ascribing Godly powers on me.  I know everything that
is
> > > > > happening in the Gambia, huh!Your relatives and friends online
must
> >be
> > > > > ashamed of the slime you've turned into.  But then, may be they
knew
> > > >about
> > > > > you.  While I was on Radio Tam Tam encouraging Gambians to speak
out
> > > >against
> > > > > the murderers and criminals in the Gambia, you were busy finding
an
> > > > > association of me and the APRC.  Elhajj, I called you a Jammeh
> > > >sympathizer
> > > > > years ago and that is in the archives.  Your defense of them is
also
> >in
> > > >the
> > > > > archives.  Folks on line know Ebou Jallow very well and that is
the
> >same
> > > > > person that is going to be your summer guest.  The same person I
> >accused
> > > >you
> > > > > of receiving a "Dankaal" from, years ago.  Also, the same person
> >that
> > > >Jabou
> > > > > came to apologize for defending ignorantly all this time.  Taf,
you
> >are
> > > >a
> > > > > hustler and all this flip flop is a hustle.  You lied about the
> >first
> > > > > republic in your defense of Yaya then, only to come and tell us
that
> > > >Yaya
> > > > > wants to kill you now.  Liar, get your ducks in order.  Which
> >republic
> > > >are
> > > > > you telling us about?  Taf, folks may be silent because this whole
> > > >nonsense
> > > > > is vexation to their souls, but they see clearly you all's rabid
> >minds.
> > > >The
> > > > > link between, Taf, Binneh, Jabou, and Conteh is evident.
Remember,
> >your
> > > > > enemy's enemy is your friend.  Just nothing but a bunch of idiots
> >that
> > > >are
> > > > > malicious and opportunists.  You'll could not even hide your
shame.
> >All
> > > >on
> > > > > this list knew you cannot stand my guts, thus you figured you just
> >gang
> > > >up
> > > > > to spread lies about me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, while you are at it, why don't you all come out and endorse
> >the
> > > > > candidacy of Jasseh Conteh?  Now, if this brother is not the
> >definition
> > > >of
> > > > > lunacy, someone please educate me.  For we saw him in all forms.
> >You'll
> > > > > remember his slogan before his swindle with Sheriff Dibba, "Yaya
Let
> >My
> > > > > People Go".  However, the moment Sheriff duped him into being his
> >Jali,
> > > >he
> > > > > came howling about how he is going to follow his leader and mentor
> >in
> > > > > Sheriff Dibba to join Yaya and how Yaya is working for Gambia.
> > > >Remember,
> > > > > his sermon about the "olive Branch"?  Folks, please don't take my
> >word
> > > >for
> > > > > it, visit the archives.  Well, Sheriff left the Raccoon in the
cold,
> > > >thus
> > > > > his silence for a long time.  Now, we see the opportunist surface
to
> > > > > announce his candidacy.  Is that a coincidence, not at all.  Also,
> > > >remember,
> > > > > the same lunatic announced that he was going to Gambia to teach
> >during
> > > >his
> > > > > vacation, just months ago, all nothing but a scheme.  Has he said
> >zilch
> > > > > about who all he taught?  I asked him about that swindle of his
and
> >to
> > > >this
> > > > > day he said zilch?  Folks, did Jasseh Conteh also tell us he had
any
> > > > > problems in Gambia with the APRC?  I wonder why?  All this while
Joe
> > > >here,
> > > > > has not been to Gambia almost four years ago.  Elhajj, your cover
is
> > > >blown
> > > > > right there?  May be you need to ask Jasseh Conteh his dealing
with
> > > >Sheriff
> > > > > while in the Gambia?  This malicious lie of you all's will be
> >followed
> > > >to
> > > > > its logical conclusion.  You'll shall be exposed for the skunks
you
> >turn
> > > > > into.  To the sick souls, this will continue.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chi Jaama
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe Sambou
> > > > > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie
> > > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:39:10 +0200
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > >Pls. stop your childish attacks on people again. Do you think
your
> >APRC
> > > > > >sycophants will
> > > > > >come here to reveal that you were spying for them? Is Tijan
Ceesay
> >"
> > > >Eku
> > > > > >Boopa "?
> > > > > >I, for one, heavily suspected you after our Tam Tam interview,
when
> >you
> > > > > >said
> > > > > >you were
> > > > > >aware of everything happening on the ground. Stop attacking
Jabou!
> > > >Jassey
> > > > > >Conteh uncovered you!
> > > > > >You are pushing your attacks on everybody now like a mad cow. We
> >are
> > > >not
> > > > > >afraid of our
> > > > > >positions in attacking Yaya Jammeh. He has guns, and WE have our
> >mouths
> > > >and
> > > > > >computers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Elhajj.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:55 PM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Soffie, Jabou is going to tender proof of this venom she
> >spitted.
> > > >And
> > > > > >she
> > > > > > > says she is a Muslim.  Chei Jabou?  I find you to be a
hypocrit
> >from
> > > > > >this
> > > > > > > day on and I suggest that you kneel down and beg for
forgiveness
> > > >from
> > > > > >your
> > > > > > > God, for you have literally attempted to murderd your fellow
> >being
> > > > > >because
> > > > > > > of spite.  But, this fellow here is not a push over and I'll
run
> >you
> > > > > >over
> > > > > > > before you do me.  You will someday publicly apologize to me
in
> >this
> > > > > >same
> > > > > > > public forum that you came to attempt to assasinate me.  I
want
> >any
> > > >APRC
> > > > > > > person to come say that I ever called them or spoke with them.
> >Any.
> > > >  l
> > > > > >have
> > > > > > > not talked to Tijan Ceesay but twice since his association
with
> > > >Yaya.
> > > > > >The
> > > > > > > first was when a mutual friend informed me of Tijan working at
> >the
> > > > > >Embassy.
> > > > > > > Essa Sey was the Ambassador at the time.  I came to this very
> >forum
> > > >and
> > > > > > > blasted him for being an opportunist and serving tea to Essa.
> >After
> > > > > >Essa's
> > > > > > > termination, he told me how Tijan was all over him thinking
that
> >he
> > > >Essa
> > > > > >was
> > > > > > > spreading that message.  Now, Essa is right here on line.  Ask
> >him
> > > >if he
> > > > > >did
> > > > > > > not contact me after he was fired?  The second was during the
> >Omar
> > > >Gaye
> > > > > >saga
> > > > > > > with Tijan Ceesay and again, all on this forum heard and saw
my
> > > >stance
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > that was the last time I spoke with Tijan.  You see Jabou, my
> > > >conscience
> > > > > >is
> > > > > > > clear, thus I can speak on things freely with no baggage.  But
> >at
> > > >the
> > > > > >end
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > the day, you will tell Gambians about this big lie of yours.
> >Jabou,
> > > >if
> > > > > >you
> > > > > > > can talk about Allah the way you do here and come to lie this
> > > >blatant, I
> > > > > > > wonder what else you could do to a humanbeing.  To all that
> > > >entertain
> > > > > >Jabou
> > > > > > > here, religiously, I say to you, you are dealing with a very
> > > >vindictive
> > > > > > > person and a hypocrit.  You are dealing with a person that
will
> >go
> > > >to
> > > > > >any
> > > > > > > lengths to lie big time about any that she cannot control.
They
> > > >gheeza
> > > > > >is
> > > > > >a
> > > > > > > control freak and she knows that I am one fellow that does not
> > > >entertain
> > > > > >her
> > > > > > > craziness.  Look at her bedfellows in this lie, they
constantly
> >are
> > > > > >stroking
> > > > > > > each other's ego and will because they are all drunk with
> >malice.
> > > > > >Besides,
> > > > > > > if they succeed in this filth they are creating in a tribal
war
> >in
> > > > > >Gambia,
> > > > > > > yours and mine are going to be the victims.  I thought I
> >encountered
> > > > > >slime
> > > > > > > in my life, but this cabal redefined slime to a whole new
level.
> >A
> > > > > > > grandmother and a liar.  Most folks would shape their lives to
> >age
> > > > > > > gracefully, but not this gheezer.  However, I am here to stay,
> >so
> > > >bring
> > > > > >it
> > > > > > > on.  Just pathethic and shameful.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Folks, I hate to clutter your mails with this filth, but I am
> >not
> > > >going
> > > > > >to
> > > > > > > let this gheeza or anyone spread this filth here about me.
> >Jabou,
> > > >you
> > > > > > > committed yourself, so Gambians are expecting the dirt you
have
> >on
> > > >Joe.
> > > > > >You
> > > > > > > are not going to run away with this one.  So, out with it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chi jaama
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe Sambou
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "Ceesay, Soffie" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > > > > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie
> > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:13:24 -0700
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Sister Jabou, thank you.  I agree with you.  Those aspects of
> > > >'Maslaha'
> > > > > > > >which are detrimental to our lives and livelihood, like many
of
> >our
> > > > > >other
> > > > > > > >harmful traditions, has to be done away with by pre-emption.
> >My
> > > > > >concern
> > > > > >is
> > > > > > > >when we start to label each other with that which we are not,
> > > >because
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > >how we might have come across on this medium, our
effectiveness
> >in
> > > >our
> > > > > > > >fight against the tyranny becomes weakened.  Use of tribe for
> > > >personal
> > > > > >gain
> > > > > > > >is what's happening, this is Yaya's game and Gambia's
problem.
> > > > > >Unfettered
> > > > > > > >sycophancy, which has side-lined tribe, is Gambia's problem.
> >It
> > > > > >becomes
> > > > > > > >our problem when we do not see it for what it is being used
> >for,
> > > >and
> > > > > > > >counter that vigorously by foiling his sinister plan.  How do
> >we
> >do
> > > > > >that -
> > > > > > > >Transforming how we think and how others who make thoughtless
> > > >comments
> > > > > > > >think, through civil dialogue; questionning ourselves about
our
> > > >"forgna
> > > > > > > >dehs" and make attempts
> > > > > > > >to "hamm" and ask when we do not; and come together to forge
> >the
> > > > > >necessary
> > > > > > > >plan to help Gambia.  It is wrong and dangerous to single out
> >the
> > > >Jolas
> > > > > >to
> > > > > > > >vent our anger and frustrations at, for the mis-deeds of a
> >leech
> > > >who
> > > > > >after
> > > > > > > >sucking you dry, hand you over to be fried.  I am asking that
> >for
> > > >this
> > > > > > > >fight, let us join hands, hearts, and minds.  Let us deal
with
> >the
> > > > > >issue
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > >tribalism in the country on it's own.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Soffie
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >From: Jabou Joh [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:45 AM
> > > > > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh/Soffie
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Soffie,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >As always, I appreciate your imput and thanks.
> > > > > > > >However sister, if we off-handedly label this issue as just
> >part
> >of
> > > >the
> > > > > > > >Jammeh problem without bringing it into the open so that we
can
> > > > > >pre-empt
> > > > > > > >any larger
> > > > > > > >problems that will arise later when it is too late, I think
we
> >wil
> > > > > >lhave
> > > > > > > >regrets only after things have gotten out of hand. The fact
> >that
> > > >there
> > > > > >is
> > > > > > > >favouritism in the allocation of high ranking positions in
the
> >army
> > > >as
> > > > > >well
> > > > > > > >as even
> > > > > > > >the availability of basic services like electricity and the
> >cost
> >of
> > > > > >rice
> > > > > > > >which
> > > > > > > >is a basic Gambian staple tells me that this issue is
> >potentially
> > > > > >explosive
> > > > > > > >unless and until we talk about it openly, and in so doing,
> >those
> > > >who
> > > > > >have
> > > > > > > >interest in fermenting this sinister plan will know that the
> >people
> > > >are
> > > > > > > >aware. That
> > > > > > > >simple fact itself can be a deterrent. We Gambians are used
to
> > > >adopting
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >least confrontational mode and simplifying things to our own
> > > >detriment.
> > > > > > > >We cannot afford to leave any problematic area that this
regime
> >has
> > > > > >helped
> > > > > > > >to
> > > > > > > >create.
> > > > > > > >Diplomacy cannot change the feelings of hostility that these
> > > >actions
> > > > > >can
> > > > > > > >brew
> > > > > > > >on the local level, and these seemingly minor details have
led
> >to
> > > > > > > >hostilities
> > > > > > > >and became much larger problems elsewhere. Only full exposure
> >of
> > > >the
> > > > > > > >problem
> > > > > > > >can be the deterrent.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Jabou Joh
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >In a message dated 4/6/04 9:20:02 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > > > > > > >[log in to unmask] writes:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Brothers and sisters -
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The grey on my head is multiplying (no kidding), thanks to
> >the
> > > >daily
> > > > > > > >grind
> > > > > > > > > of life in the US and the struggle we have to wage for
> >Gambia's
> > > > > > > >liberation.
> > > > > > > > > And, thanks also to dialogue that has only helped to fan
the
> > > >flames
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > > mis-understanding between those of us who are fighting the
> >same
> > > > > >fight.
> > > > > > > >I hate to go
> > > > > > > > > against what my elders say and so I apologize before hand
> >but,
> > > >what
> > > > > > > >pertains
> > > > > > > > > in the Gambia is not a JOLA problem, but Gambia's problem.
> >That
> > > > > >Yaya
> > > > > >is
> > > > > > > >a
> > > > > > > > > tribalist we all agree on.  A tribalist for whom and
against
> > > >whom,
> > > > > >very
> > > > > > > >hard
> > > > > > > > > for me to say and I will dis-agree with anyone who singles
> >out
> > > > > >anyone
> > > > > > > >tribe.
> > > > > > > > > The Jola's are as much at the receiving end of his tyranny
> >as
> > > > > >everyone
> > > > > > > >else.
> > > > > > > > > Those who've helped prop him up come from every strata of
> > > >Gambian
> > > > > > > >society
> > > > > > > > > and to allow ourselves to miss this point sends shivers up
> >my
> > > >spine.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > At our last demonstration in New York, when reporter Ebou
> >Waggeh
> > > > > >asked
> > > > > >a
> > > > > > > > > question (I do not recall what it was), this lady pushed
> >forward
> > > >and
> > > > > > > >began to
> > > > > > > > > spew spittle about the Jolas this and the Jolas that.  I
was
> > > > > >frightened
> > > > > > > >-
> > > > > > > > > frightened because she was speaking from her heart and
> > > >frightened
> > > > > >that
> > > > > > > >she has
> > > > > > > > > allowed herself to be manipulated into segmenting our
> >society
> >by
> > > >the
> > > > > > > >shenanigans
> > > > > > > > > of a loony.  If I were to turn around and ask her what any
> >Jola
> > > >has
> > > > > >done
> > > > > > > >to
> > > > > > > > > her or her family before Jammeh or now, she would have
> >pointed
> > > >only
> > > > > >to
> > > > > > > > > Jammeh.  My response to that comment, to Waggeh, was
this -
> >Yaya
> > > >was
> > > > > > > >born a Jola
> > > > > > > > > and that is as far as he can claim.  Those who benefited
> >from
> > > >and
> > > > > > > >supported him
> > > > > > > > > run the tribal gamut.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some of us are lucky and can claim to be a bonafide
Wollof,
> > > > > >Mandinka,
> > > > > > > >Jola,
> > > > > > > > > Sarahuleh, Manjaago, or whatever.  So what?  At the end of
> >the
> > > >day,
> > > > > >what
> > > > > > > >does
> > > > > > > > > that bring you?  I will suggest that many Gambians are
like
> >me
> > > >who
> > > > > > > >cannot
> > > > > > > > > claim to be a bonafide anytribe even if I grew up speaking
> >only
> > > > > >Wollof.
> > > > > > > >I will
> > > > > > > > > also suggest that it is people in our families and tribes
> >who
> > > >will
> > > > > >put
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > screws to you without a second thought and Yaya is no
> >different.
> > > > > >For
> > > > > > > > > political expediency, he uses whatever he can and if
> >tribalism
> > > >is
> > > > > > > >readily available
> > > > > > > > > and he's proved that it can polarize the opposition, why
not
> >use
> > > >it.
> > > > > >My
> > > > > > > > > sincerest apologies to all as well as my regards.  I now
go
> >back
> > > >to
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >plantation
> > > > > > > > > grind.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Soffie Ceesay
> > > > > > > > > A Gambian
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