As the CEO of EASI and the moderator of this list, I do my best to stay in
the background. I have had enough experience with trying to squash a
discussion that seemed off topic only to have everyone jump all over me . .
even the complainers jump on a moderators who interferes.
So, I won't interfere.
I will remind everyone that the mission of EASI is to disseminate
information about the convergence of Disabilities, technology and
education. We try not to be a general disabilities list nor a general
education list nor a general technology list. We endeavor to aim at this
vague point where the three converge.
Beyond that, we hope that mutual respect for each other's views and for
each other's busy schedules will result in self monitoring.
Thanks for everyone's help and understanding.
Norm Coombs, Ph.D.
At 12:25 PM 1/12/01 -0800, you wrote:
>I would have to agree with Richard, there are more appropriate forums for
>this kind of dialog. These types of discussion tend to get very political
>very quickly, and this is not the proper forum as far as I am concerned for
>a political discussion.
>
>Ron Stewart
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ruth Burchell [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:15 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
>
>
>Richard,
>
>Quoting you: "RELIVING THE PAST"?
>
>What are you talking about Richard! I've kept out of
>this conversation till now, and I'm appalled at this
>sort of attitude from anyone, in particular from
>someone who is presumably disabled also, and who
>should be concerned.
>
>I don't know what it is like in your state, but I want
>to bring to your attention that in this state, the ADA
>and certain parts of the ACT, are in serious jeopardy
>for the disabled where they are using a certain kind
>of sophisticated discrimination against us in many
>areas. Including jobs and tech.
>
>I am suprised that you don't see the link between the
>two and the relative correlation of technology, the
>disabled, and the job that you now have as Assistant
>Director - Disability Resources for Students at the
>Arizona State University.
>
>And as to "ON OUR OWN TIME"? Yes, we are in the 21st
>century and these things are happening today! And if
>you are at all concerned about your job and any job
>that any disabled person holds because of the ADA, I'd
>get involved and join in.
>
>As for me, I have been enjoying the conversation and
>have learned a lot from it for my betterment and
>edifying education.
>
>Ruth A. Burchell.
>
>--------------------------
>
>
>@ASU.EDU> wrote:
>> The name of this organization is EASI, "Equal Access
>> to Software and
>> Information." I am open to any point of view
>> concerning access to software
>> and information. However, EASI is filling up each
>> day with email that has
>> nothing to do with technology or providing the
>> crucial electronic tools
>> necessary for individuals with disabilities to
>> compete effectively in the
>> 21st century. If you want to relive the past, do
>> it on your own time.
>>
>> Richard Jones
>> Assistant Director
>> Disability Resources for Students
>> Arizona State University, Main
>> 480-965-1234
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rudy Caris [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:05 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
>>
>> No doubt, and I understand the point of the argument
>> and
>> what is being said.
>>
>> The arena where our battles should be fought
>> however,
>> has a whole new set of rules, and is not given to
>> emotional pleadings, grandstanding, or such things.
>>
>> I picked one fight that took seven years to
>> conclude.
>> As a result, many disabled today are enjoying some
>> of
>> their rights they would otherwise not have had.
>>
>> Conversely, there have been issues where I chose NOT
>> to
>> rattle the cages of the powers that are.
>>
>> The sympathetic vote is a powerful ally that should
>> not
>> be abused or overused as the case might be.
>>
>> Indulging in that practice only serves to
>> desensitize
>> our "friends" who can help us in our battles. Which
>> indeed they are.
>>
>> Rudy
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> > Yes, you do have to pick your fights. Selma
>> Alabama was chosen for a
>> reason
>> > I do believe, as was Montgomery. I don't want to
>> get this wrong though,
>> and
>> > disappoint my former professor (right Norm). On
>> the other hand though, you
>> > can't be so quiet as to have the other side nickel
>> and dime you to death.
>> > Can't wine about everything. But there does come a
>> time when some one can
>> > take only so much.
>> >
>> > Randy
>> >
>> > "Practice means nothing. Games mean everything."
>> > -- Thurmond Moore
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: David Poehlman <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:21 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
>> >
>> >
>> > > yes, it makes a difference. the disabled is a
>> bit different than
>> > > either of those you describe. for one thing, we
>> don't have the
>> > > choices that any of them did due to functional
>> limitations.
>> > >
>> > > This is the 21st century the last I looked. The
>> backlash against us
>> > > over stuff like this can be more detramental
>> than the present reality.
>> > > if you have 100 guood cases, the one bad one
>> that you have will wipe
>> > > all the good of them away.
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Rick Sinclair" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > Sent: January 11, 2001 4:03 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: Law penalizes the able?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Rudy,
>> > >
>> > > On the other hand, squeaky wheels get the
>> grease. Neither the black
>> > > movement, nor the womens' movement, had much
>> success until they
>> > > started
>> > > raising an unholy ruckus that got media
>> attention. The womens'
>> > > movement
>> > > was a phenomenal result, actually changing the
>> perspective of
>> > > virtually
>> > > all of society, but they had to burn their bras
>> to do it. (Never could
>> > > figure why that made a difference, but it
>> apparently did!) When we
>> > > give
>> > > an inch, we lose a mile.
>> > >
>> > > I know what you mean, and I don't really
>> disagree with strategic
>> > > planning, but sometimes being "totally
>> unreasonable" is what make the
>> > > difference. If nothing changes, nothing
>> changes.
>> > >
>> > > Rick
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Rudy Caris wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > You are absolutely correct Rick.
>> > > >
>> > > > But let's go about asserting our rights with a
>> measure
>> > > > of reason, and not stand on all of our rights,
>> all of
>> > > > the time: Unless of course we are sure that
>> we will win
>> > > > and advance the cause for all of us. o.k?
>> > > >
>> > > > Lost ground is harder to regain.
>> > > >
>> > > > Rudy
>> > > > .
>> > > > .
>> > > > .
>> > > > > Rudy Caris wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > "3. Reasonable modifications refers
>> to the hundreds
>> > > > > > of thousands of disabled persons world
>> wide, who are
>> > > > > > just barely trying to survive day-by-day
>> to meet
>> > > > > > their "basic needs, and the necessaries to
>> sustain their
>> > > > > > lives." Golfing is the furthest thing
>> from their
>> > > > > > minds. Whom-so-ever, is kidding who?"
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Nobody is kidding anyone. This is a real
>> case. Casey Martin is a
>> > > > > professional golfer, that is what he does.
>> The golf course is his
>> > > > > workplace, and "reasonable accommodation" -
>> a golf cart - is not
>> > > > > unreasonable on the face of it. If they
>> feel its an advantage,
>> > > make
>> > > > > carts available to the whole field! I am
>> sure it would cut down
>> > > on the
>> > > > > interminable shots of some pro slowing
>> walking up the 18th to make
>> > > his
>> > > > > final putt.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I think its a mistake to consider the law
>> only applies to the
>> > > worst off
>> > > > > of the disabled. It should be simply a cost
>> of doing business,
>> > > without
>> > > > > having to wring pity from the hearts of
>> onlookers, to be
>> > > accommodated.
>> > > > > The day the White House needs a wheelchair
>> ramp or a TTY to
>> > > accommodate
>> > > > > the President, we will know we have won.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Rick Sinclair
>> > > > > SNA
>> > >
>>
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