Hi Kyle,

  That's fine - I won't be on again till Monday. Am taking the girls to see a College. If anyone out here has good ideas how to appraoch the CP topic with the college - I am all ears. Hemi's help would great!

  I tend to quote - other learned sources simply becasue my ideas - when I present them are always - pointed out to be less than intelligent so rather than say - you know I read this and this how I see it - I use people who you may at least respect a little. I do actually discuss my ideas with people who respect me, and we expand each others horizons. 

Oh and on the please send prayers and good thoughts - my Mom's stroke was cause by a clogged artery in her neck - when a piece of the clog broke off and went into her brain - she will be having a carotid endarterectomy, in the future. In the mean time she is a bit better and I am taking care of both of them - after work - house keeping, feeding and general loving.

                                         Trisha


> Trisha-
> 
> I'll respond in depth later this weekend when I have more time, but no, I'm
> speaking of what one of the authors in you link referred to as "Pauline"
> Christians--at least during that timeframe.  The Gnostics were later down
> the line.
> 
> I think the authors raise a red herring about the schisms in the first
> century church, but I'll address that in detail later--and I promise I won't
> use someone else's opinion to support my own.  Since I profess the Bible to
> be true, it would be hypocritical of me to rest my assertions on the
> scholarly work of another.  I think the "law and the prophets" and the other
> writings found in what we call the "bible" are strong enough to stand on
> their own without a Rabbi, Priest or Theo Ph.D. telling us what it all
> means.
> 
> Kyle
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trisha Cummings [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 1:50 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: religion and politics (long-ish); was RE: Brother in Law
> 
> 
> Hi Kyle,
> 
>    The ancient Eypytians are more the contemporaries of the Jews in the
> beginning. As are the Babylonians and such - these civilzations pre-date
> writing, also pre-date The Greeks and Romans. The Romans are contemporaries
> of the early Christians. I am talking about the 3 "in the Beginning stories"
> foround in the Bible. These existed before the writing time - when they sat
> around the fires and handed down the stories.
> 
> I think maybe we are both talking about the early Gnostic Christians - here
> a link to that.
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/first/diversity.html
> 
> The early Christians were against war -
> http://www.users.voicenet.com/~kuenning/qhp/dymond.html
> 
> We don't need to change each others minds - I am speaking of centuries
> before the ones you are. Christianity has its roots in the Jewish past. They
> go back before writting. Lets face it the oldest real religious artifacts go
> back 9,000 years ago, and they are Pagan and we conjecture about it -
> becasue no one survives and they had no writing. The very roots of ancient
> Jews - are also lost - what we have is what has survived thru oral tradition
> until we had writing.
> 
> I am sorry you are not doing well. I will think really good thoughts
> 
>                                  Trisha