Trisha:

I'm confused a bit where you appeared to think I was attempting to establish
"13 fallacies of logic."  I saw what looked like a personal attack, and
addressed it as such.  I considered it a rather non-Nettiquette thing to do
when I first saw it.  Apparently I stumbled on something that was a
permissible exchange, and I'll shut my mouth.

As for the term rhetoric, nowadays English teachers are the ones who get
associated to that term (a degree in "Rhetoric and Composition" basically
qualifies one to teach writing).  It honestly means supporting what you
think and say clearly and truthfully.  It's a shame that using one's head
has to be associated with an industry that so often doesn't -- why don't we
all start thinking of English teachers when we say "rhetoric?"  That gives
me a warm fuzzy, personally.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: Addressing an ad-hominm and asking for welcome...


> Scott,
>
>    You are new to the list. It is netiquette - just observe for awhile =
> before you jump in. List members have established a rapport and it may =
> not be obvious immediately. Attempting to establish the 13 fallacies of =
> Logic on a list is ludicrous - you want to debate in form join debating =
> organization. Rhetoric is associated with politcians - truth and =
> politicians aren't even on a nodding aquaintance footing. Hence people's =
> perception its a negative term. Apply some logic here.......  Its is a =
> free country - that means folks get their opinion, and if it happens to =
> vary from yours - that doesn't make it wrong just different. The same =
> thing holds for defintions of words.=20
>
>                                                       Trisha
>
> > Mr. Barber:
> >=20
> > I made no assertion that you weren't polished in the truth, though I =
> think
> > your apparent belief that the word "rhetoric" conveys something =
> negative
> > reveals a misunderstanding of at least that term.  To be polished in
> > rhetoric requires a knowledge of the truth.
> >=20
> > I grow tired of partisian politics.  One should look up the term =
> "Southern
> > Democrat" before one starts blaming or crediting a party platform for =
> this,
> > that or any other thing.  The constituency we call "conservatives" =
> today
> > was, long ago, "Democratic," and vice versa, as Kat pointed out.  And =
> to
> > equate parties with ideologies like "conservative" or "liberal" =
> nowadays is,
> > in fact, akin to naming the middle of the road twice.  Who gets credit =
> for
> > ending segregation?  The people who suffered under it, Ken.  Not a =
> party.
> > They ended it, because THEY convinced enough people that they really =
> were
> > human, and that we really were stupid for not seeing it.
> >=20
> > I find it strange that you feel the need to disparage the concept of
> > "rhetoric" after I considered that your using it might mean you were
> > complimenting Magenta for using her head.  Your comment about her =
> heroes
> > still attacked her person rather than considering her ideas =
> rationally, and
> > a friend would admit their wrongdoing and offer an apology -- which =
> leads me
> > to wondering whether your friendship is something I would value.
> >=20
> > You're right, Ken.  I don't know you.  I never claimed to.  Right now, =
> I'm
> > not sure I want to.  I'm ready to be convinced otherwise when you are =
> ready
> > to convince me.
> >=20
> > Scott
> >=20
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: Addressing an ad-hominm and asking for welcome...
> >=20
> >=20
> > >   i'd rather be unpolished in retoric than unpolished
> > > in the truch.
> > >    scott, welcome to the group. you and i will be
> > > friends i am sure, we are just not off to a good
> > > start.
> > >    by the way, mag and i are friends. it is just that
> > > we are blunt and to the point with each other. both of
> > > us say what we mean and mean what we say. we are
> > > oposite as north is from south, but, really are
> > > friends. i don't expect her to change and she (i hope)
> > > is not holding her breath for me to change.
> > >
> > > by the way, i agree that none of the 51 or 53 rebels
> > > qualify. there were some important bills on the docket
> > > that died while these bozos were in the state to the
> > > north. some of those bobby had already told us about.
> > > heros, not much.
> > >
> > > --- "BG Greer, PhD" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > Scott,
> > > >
> > > >        Wecome! you seem like a needed asset to this
> > > > list. Most of us are
> > > > "unpolished" at rhetoric! I am from Texas and just
> > > > about all of my heroes are
> > > > from Texas because I grew up here. None of the 53
> > > > Democratic rebels qualify.
> > > > I am speaking of Audie Murphy, my father and others.
> > > >
> > > > Bobby
> > >
> > >
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