Here Here!
Rick
At 02:27 AM 3/1/2004, Christopher J chaltain wrote:
>Don't forget that blind people are people too. Just because we're blind
>doesn't mean we're any better than the rest of the population. I work for
>a large computer company that has recently announced that it will be
>looking at moving jobs off shore. I've seen debates in the general
>population that are much harsher than anything we've seen here. In fact,
>I think this discussion has been relatively tame and presented
>contradictory views in a constructive way. IMHO, this concept that the
>blind are somehow better than the general population and shouldn't have
>disagreements or resort to personal attacks is a bit naive. I agree it
>would be nice if we never disagreed, argued or got personal in our
>debates, but I think that's unrealistic, given that we're going to suffer
>from the same short comings as everyone else.
>
>Christopher
>
>Christopher J Chaltain
>[log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
>Albert Ruel <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent by: "VICUG-L: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List"
><[log in to unmask]>
>02/29/2004 03:28 PM
>Please respond to Albert Ruel
>
>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> cc:
> Subject: [VICUG-L] What goes around
>
>What is most disappointing to me where the blind community is concerned is
>the vigor with which we eat our young. Our status in life would be so
>much
>further advanced if only we could remember that the best way to avoid
>conflict and remain united in our efforts is to attack only the issue and
>not the person. Important discussions like this are all too often reduced
>to name calling and sniping rather than opportunities to educate and move
>forward. I could have learned so much from this discussion, but sadly I
>only saw more evidence of our greatest barrier to future success.
>
>Thx, Albert Ruel, Victoria, BC, Canada
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nelson Blachman" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 3:07 PM
>Subject: Re: What goes around
>
>
>George,
>
> I hope that, when you get to high school, you'll be able to attend a
>good
>American history course. There you'll learn that you've quoted from the
>Declaration of Independence rather than from the Constitution, and you'll
>have a chance to memorize the Preamble to the Constitution, which mentions
>the several purposes of government. In college maybe you'll later on be
>able to attend a good course on economics and learn about the
>interdependence of business, government, and workers. As an adult you'll
>then have a wider, deeper understanding of society, and you'll understand
>how governments have to place limits on the freedom of businesses to do
>just
>as they might please, just as the Constitution places limits on what our
>government may do. You'll also learn the difference between despotic
>governments, such as those of North Jorea and
>Cuba, and socialist governments like those in Sweden et al.
>
> Good luck.
>
>--Nelson Blachman
>Oakland, Calif.s
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "George Cassell" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 1:16 PM
>Subject: Re: What goes around
>
>
> > I don't recall where, in the Constitution of the United States, its said
> > that any of us were to be guaranteed anything, other than the right to
>life,
> > liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And the right to happiness,
>itself,
> > was not guaranteed either -- only the pursuit thereof.
> >
> > We are not guaranteed jobs or salaries. And no company doing business
>in
> > the United States, is mandated to create or sustain jobs for any of us.
> > Their obligation is to provide whatever products or services they do
> > provide, and create a profit for their owners.
> >
> > If you decided to go into business for yourself, you would be doing so
>to
> > create personal wealth; not to create jobs for others, simply to
>provide
> > them with paychecks, whether or not they deserve that money. That is
>what
> > the communist program was all about, and why it has been abandoned,
>except
> > for Cuba and North Korea, and we all know what a dismal failure they
>are.
> > How many of us would like to trade places with them?
> >
> > If there is a divide between the have's and have's not, then it is
>incumbent
> > upon those who have not to improve their own lot in life, as have the
> > have's. We all have the same opportunity to a decent education in our
> > tax-supported schools, right through high school. Thereafter, one can
> > attend college, if one so desires, by working one's way through, getting
>a
> > scholarship, grant, student loan, or whatever it takes to put one's self
> > through school. In so doing, one prepares himself for the work force,
>able
> > to compete in life, and not simply being dragged along by the blood,
>sweat
> > and tears of others.
> >
> > Yes, there are those of us who are "disadvantaged." But, by joining
> > together, we, too, can provide for ourselves, utilizing the talents and
> > abilities of others in our group, while providing our own abilities as
>well,
> > thus making the sum of the whole greater than the individual parts.
> >
> > There is too much whining going on in America, and not enough of the
> > personal responsibility that made America great in the first place. As
>John
> > F. Kennedy once said, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask
>what
> > you can do for your country." Those words are as true today, as the day
> > they were first spoken in January of 1961.
> >
> > -- George
> >
> > Keep up-to-date with the latest news and goings-on in the blindness and
> > visually-impaired communities. Visit Blind World, The Online Magazine
>for
> > the Blind and Visually-Impaired.
> >
> > You'll find Blind World easily accessible at: http://www.blindworld.net
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Hoad" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 4:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: What goes around
> >
> >
> > posting from Windsor Maine;
> > Steve Hoad
> >
> >
> > Good points in this article cover a real fact,
> > Currently in America the gap between rich and poor is continually
>widening.
> > The top ten percent of our country's incomes are averaging about
>$900,000
> > (nine hundred thousand) and the bottom 20 percent are at about $8600
>(eight
> > thousand six hundred.
> >
> > That's the rub,
> > when this wheel of import/export/export/import continues around the
>richest
> > come out on top and the poorest get rolled over.
> >
> > This definitely requires a public policy shift! at the Federal level so
>our
> > real "working class" can still exist. Not everybody can invent
>something,
> > not everybody wants to do a "think" job, and many don't have the
>capacity
>to
> > do so.
> >
> > Steve, (off the soapbox now) Hoad
> > from a state where the poverty is apparent,
> > Maine
> >
> >
> > VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List.
> > To join or leave the list, send a message to
> > [log in to unmask] In the body of the message, simply type
> > "subscribe vicug-l" or "unsubscribe vicug-l" without the quotations.
> > VICUG-L is archived on the World Wide Web at
> > http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/vicug-l.html
> >
> >
>
>
>VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List.
>To join or leave the list, send a message to
>[log in to unmask] In the body of the message, simply type
>"subscribe vicug-l" or "unsubscribe vicug-l" without the quotations.
> VICUG-L is archived on the World Wide Web at
>http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/vicug-l.html
>
>
>VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List.
>To join or leave the list, send a message to
>[log in to unmask] In the body of the message, simply type
>"subscribe vicug-l" or "unsubscribe vicug-l" without the quotations.
> VICUG-L is archived on the World Wide Web at
>http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/vicug-l.html
>
>
>VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List.
>To join or leave the list, send a message to
>[log in to unmask] In the body of the message, simply type
>"subscribe vicug-l" or "unsubscribe vicug-l" without the quotations.
> VICUG-L is archived on the World Wide Web at
>http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/vicug-l.html
>
>
>
>
>__________________________________________________________
>This message was scanned by GatewayDefender
>2:29:06 AM ET - 3/1/2004
VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List.
To join or leave the list, send a message to
[log in to unmask] In the body of the message, simply type
"subscribe vicug-l" or "unsubscribe vicug-l" without the quotations.
VICUG-L is archived on the World Wide Web at
http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/vicug-l.html
|
