BATF = Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms
FFL = Federal Firearms License

So what Kyle is saying, a person can buy a configuration of almost 10K rounds
of amunition before the buyer or owner has to obtain a FFL. At least that's
what I think he's saying.  In other words the guns laws are too lax (my
opinion).

Kat

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:21:54 -0400 Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi Kyle,
>
>            What does this mean " You can
> purchase 9,999 rounds in any one
> config before you have to have a
> BATF FFL (10K rounds is the break-point) "as an
> non hunting,shooting human
> the terms are baffling.
>
>
>                                         Trisha
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cleveland, Kyle E.
> [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:15 PM
> > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > Subject:      Re: another shooting
> >
> > You can purchase 9,999 rounds in any one
> config before you have to have a
> > BATF FFL (10K rounds is the break-point).
> You could shoot for years
> > before
> > having to purchase more ammo.  Like you,
> Bobby, I think the guy is
> > "getting
> > off" by pulling a flawless execution.  A
> couple of co-workers have said,
> > "Well, the guy must not be all that good if
> he's just getting
> > 'center-of-mass' shots now--no head shots."
> Criminy!  The target this
> > morning was moving up the bus stairs!  It's
> not that easy to put shots on
> > a
> > moving target at 100+ meters.
> >
> > The other thing that strikes me is that there
> has been no
> > over-penetration.
> > All of the torso rounds (I'm pretty sure)
> have expended their energy in
> > the
> > body cavity.  This would tell me that he is
> NOT using military issue FMJ.
> > With full-metal jacket, by Geneva Convention,
> the bullet does not mushroom
> > or fragment, but passes through the tissue.
> A military round will poke
> > clean holes in a body.  The reason for this
> is simple:  in wartime, the
> > idea
> > is not to kill as many enemy as possible, but
> to incapacitate.  If you
> > wound
> > a man, it takes another three or four
> soldiers to get him out of the
> > kill-box.  That's four or five fewer soldiers
> shooting at you and you can
> > press your advantage.  If you kill a soldier
> outright, then his comrades
> > don't need to come to his aid and can
> continue to shoot at you.
> >
> > The rounds this guy is using appear to he
> hunting rounds, which expand on
> > contact with tissue, creating lots of
> hydrostatic shock and a big wound
> > channel to cause rapid blood loss and a quick
> death.  The only reason his
> > targets seem to be surviving so well is that
> the First Responders are able
> > to get fluids quickly into the victims'
> systems.
> >
> > Bobby, I agree with you:  I think the guy is
> reverse-engineering his
> > targets.  His priority is planning his escape
> route and builds an op
> > around
> > those parameters.  His targets seem to be
> targets of opportunity, but he's
> > also been careful to cover a wide
> demographic.
> >
> > -Kyle
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BG Greer, PhD
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:45 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: another shooting
> >
> >
> > There are alot of gun owners who use this
> calibre ammunition. It fits 30
> > different weapons. The guy stakes out his
> scenes, especially an escape
> > route.
> > The victim, per se, is more or less random.
> As Kat said yesterday, he is a
> > wiley fox.
> >
> > Bobby
>