There are many liberal ideas and many conservative ideas that sound just
great in theory that never work in practice. There is always the unintended
consequences.

-----Original Message-----
From: Salkin Kathleen [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:45 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: another shooting

Right, Mag, and we've had to amend the Constitution as our ideas of who
should be covered under have expanded throughout US history.  I do wish the
ERA had been passed as I think we women should be treated equally to men and
there's still a long ways to go especially in the workforce.  Women are
still not being paid equally to men for the same jobs requiring the same
skills.

The "equal pay for equal work" push back in the 1980s was a nice idea but
horrendous to attempt to apply.  I remember our Director of Compensation
struggling with issues as - what is equal work and what is equitable?  How
exactly does being  a nurse compare to a fireman (same level of skills,
etc.) and how do you equalise the pay?  It was a nightmare.  I'm fairly
liberal, and a feminist but I must say a lot of liberal ideas just aren't
practical in execution.

Back to the Constitution.  Deri, the Constitution was put in place in order
to prevent a centralised government and to keep the US from becoming a
monarchy; that's why the balance of powers was so carefully divvied up
amongst the Executive, Legislative, and the Judicial branches of government.
There are times when the balance tipples in favour of one  branch of course,
but it corrects itself in some fashion or other.  I remember reading once
that the drafters of the Constitution were still feeling rather
anti-monarchy after the war, and so wanted to make absolutely certain we
never went back to that.  They wanted to draft a document for all the world
to see as evidence that such a government could, and did, exist.

Kat


----- Original Message -----
From: "Magenta Raine" <[log in to unmask]>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: another shooting


> In a message dated 10/23/02 11:30:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> writes:
>
> > constitution what is not there and
> > never was there then we would have seen the wisdom of the founders. But,
> > with the right to secede from the union, that was reserved by some of
the
> > states in their ratification documents  taken away by force, there was
and
> > is not today any deterant from activist judges reading into law what
would
> > never pass in the legislative branch. Most of the founders envisioned
the
> > states running the national government and not vice versa.
> >
> and with the right to secession, those southern states would have kept the
> Jim crow laws intact. (these are the many laws that kept people of color
"in
> their places" before the 1960s protests)
>
> Mag. Who has been doing research for my PCA regarding Jim crow, and seeing
> the PBS TV series on Jim crow.
>
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