True, and what I was trying to say this morning was, that "hallowed" has little meaning in Judaism, although of course "holy" does have a great deal of meaning in Hebrew.  "Hallowed" came in far later in usage than "holy" and its origins are in paganism, rather than the original Hebrew or even Aramaic.  The word in Biblical terminology was first used with the King James Version which was the first version in the English language; previous versions were in Greek or Latin.

Kat

On Wed, 22 May 2002 14:49:44 -0400 "Barber, Kenneth L." <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

oh, i agree, if it had been a german word it may or may not have been of
pagan origins, or spanish, or whatever. the translators would have used the
common word in that language that meant holy. i was just trying to be sure
that mag's origional question about the prayer did not get totally lost in
all the explaing where the english word came from. i have no arguments with
any of what has been said. it is all very interesting. i just wanted mag to
have her answer in context of the prayer that she ask about. which i hope
was informative as to early jewish and christian teachings.
  if every one will indulge me another minute, early cultures needs to be
taken into account when trying to figure out what a 1800 - 4000 year old
text is teaching.

-----Original Message-----
From: Trisha Cummings [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 2:26 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: was no subject now Hallowed/Halloween


Hi Ken,

             I merely followed thru on Kat's saying her anthropology teacher
said it was Pagan - all I could find was Old English - and prior to 1200 -
this doesn't give exactly explain where they got it from. Hallowed is also
used for many other things other than just religion - hallowed ground -
hallowed halls etc. I answered Mike's question on the orgins of Halloween.
Most words go back to very anciet cultures - ie Hebrew, Greek or Roman. Also
Babylonia and Sumeria. The further back in time we go the more obsure
beginnigs become. There where civilizations before the Jews - so who knows
where their words came from.

                                        Brightest Blessings - Trisha

> the old enlish word was used in a translation from the aramaic word for
> Holy
> that was used in the new testament of the Christian Bible. The prayer that
> Kathy sent was a model prayer that jesus taught his followers.
> Christianity
> came from Judahism roots. in the 10 commandments, the jews were commanded
> not to use the name of God in a unrespectful way. the old time rabbi's and
> maybe some today took this so seriously that when they read the scrolls
> aloud and came to the name for GOD, they would just say "the name" to keep
> from even chancing not giving God's name enough respect. Names usually in
> that culture meant something about the named's Character. not as we name
> now
> because we like the sound of something. so respect was to be given Gods
> name.
>
> Jesus's followers ask him to teach them to pray. This prayer was a model
> teaching that even though we can pray to the fother without a priest and a
> sacrifice, we still must approach God and his name with deep respect for
> who
> he is.
>
> no matter where the enlish word originated, in context of the prayer, it
> is
> meant to convey the absolute Holiness of GOD and how we approach him.
>
> mag ask what the word meant in the prayer that kathy sent. i have
> indeavered
> to answer her as completely as i know how.   i think all the answers have
> gotten back to meaning Holy, and desearving deep respect.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trisha Cummings [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:26 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: was no subject now Hallowed/Halloween
>
>
> Top of Form 1
>         =09
> According to Meriam Websters Collgiate Dictionary it gives it an old =
> English
> origin
>
> Bottom of Form 1
> Main Entry: hal=B7low Pronunciation: 'ha-(")lO
> Function: transitive verb
> Etymology: Middle English halowen, from Old English hAlgian, from hAlig =
> holy
> -- more at HOLY <dictionary?book=3DDictionary&va=3Dholy>
> Date: before 12th century
> 1 : to make holy or set apart for holy use
> 2 : to respect greatly : VENERATE =
> <dictionary?book=3DDictionary&va=3Dvenerate>
> synonym see DEVOTE <dictionary?book=3DDictionary&va=3Ddevote>=20