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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Michael Bernet wrote:
> In a message dated 98-10-26 01:22:28 EST, [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> << This is not what is going on.
> ==I always admire people who have the gift of certitude. Good to know that
> Vunch really knows that the Talmudic and Gestalt approaches to dreams are "not
> what is going on."
>
> << A dream is a communication. Dreams may be communicated from others at the
> same time or sequentially and your mind may distort the sender's distortions.
> ==Now that's very interesting. Would you please cite sources for this
> revelation. It would be immeasurably valuable to me, and to researchers on
> dreams, sleep disorders, imagery . . . .
>
> << Someone sends the messages to you during your sleep and you then dream it.
> The elements are not aspects of yourself but aspects of scenes and others. the
> last thing you want to do is to start owning the elements of the dreams as if
> they are you, you'd go crazy if that was the case. You have to figure out who
> sent the dream elements and maybe send 'em back to their source.
> ==Very, very interesting. Can you send these dreams back by e-mail? By
> telephone? or do you have to dream them back at the sender? Does Voodoo or
> witchcraft help or would you suggest making a web-surch for the sender of your
> dreams?
> ==Are the dreams sent to me electronically? Does that mean it's dangerous to
> go to sleep with my TV or my 'puter on? Will wearing an aluminum foil helment
> in bed, and grounding both toes, help avoid these dreams being sent to me?
> ==Please advice. Here I thought I had a wonderful way of using dreams to
> therapeutic ends with my clients and with myself, and here you come and tell
> me how truly dangerous such ideas are. Please tell me what to do and how to
> undo the therapeutic work I have done with dreams.
>
> Michael Bernet, Ph.D.
>
Vunch has a point that dreams are "communications" sent by others to
yourself if, as F and Lacan would have it, "yourself" be understood as an
"other" and communication is to the other of yourself. Remember that
representations always involve three partites: the producer of the
representation, the recipient of the representation (which may well be the
same locus), and the representational matter. Fr transposes
the positivist cartesian cogito that presumes self-identity to: I am not
where I am (what I do, what I say, etc.), b/c of the undermining work of
the unc. Lacan views this in terms of linguistic enunciation: the subject
of the symblic order (subject merely by virtue of its place in
an enunciation, symbolic, represetnational, etc.) chain is split from its
biological locus.
But, on the other hand, I don't think Vunch has these ideas in mind when
speaking of dreams as communications from an other or from another scene?
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