Yeah, let's quit here...go rest your hands, Ken.  Please don't strain them.

Kat

----- Original Message -----
From: "ken barber" <[log in to unmask]>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: Ironies


> please let me quit, if they lie under oath,
> republican, democrate, independant, you name it, i'd
> like to say they all belong in jail. unfortuneatly
> some have gotten away with murder. no names this time.
> no party affiliation either.
>
> --- "K. Salkin" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Your reply was more than welcome, by me! :-)  I
> > honestly don't think
> > Hilary's done what most male politicians haven't
> > done, and because  she's
> > female, she's vilified for it.
> >
> > You can't tell me most male politicians don't lie,
> > even under oath.  You
> > also can't tell me they don't change what they say
> > just to get votes.  Them
> > as has the money and the talk get the votes.
> >
> >
> > Kat
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Sands" <[log in to unmask]>
> > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 4:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: Ironies
> >
> >
> > > I wasn't aware that my response was unwelcome.
> > However, my "whoa" was
> > > directed towards your answering Kat's question by
> > telling us what Margaret
> > > Thatcher DIDN'T do.  What has Hillary Clinton done
> > that hasn't been done
> > by
> > > just about any man?  THAT was my point.  Think
> > about it or don't, but
> > > implying offense that I even
> > responded...well...sheesh.  Calm down?
> > >
> > > I don't hate Hillary Clinton, so I won't pretend
> > Kat's question was
> > directed
> > > toward me...but I won't pretend I'm not allowed to
> > respond--if it isn't
> > > something she wanted a response on, couldn't she
> > e-mail you directly about
> > > it?  If it's on the post, it's meant for everyone.
> >  Right?
> > >
> > > I weighed in, and I apologize if doing so was
> > inappropriate, but I really
> > > don't think it was.  I'm beginning to wonder, Ken,
> > if I'm welcome on the
> > > list.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Ironies
> > >
> > >
> > > > besides you can't say whoa, when kat ask us the
> > why?
> > > > and i directly answered her question that i
> > think was
> > > > directed to bobby and to me and i guess
> > indirectly the
> > > > rest of the list. she did say "you boys."
> > > >
> > > >    lets be honest, mr clinton lied about an
> > affair,
> > > > but, he did it "under oath". and that is perjury
> > and
> > > > there are men and women in jail for perjury. it
> > is a
> > > > felony.
> > > >    but again i agree with your point. as i have
> > > > already said. the government is taking too much
> > > > liberty with this war on terror, just as they
> > have
> > > > taken too much liberty with the war on drugs.
> > due
> > > > process is out the window if they catch you with
> > lots
> > > > of cash. they can take it and do it without
> > proving
> > > > that you did nothing wrong and even if you are
> > > > innocent and never convicted, they can keep the
> > money
> > > > and/or property. jose padea (spelling may be
> > wrong)
> > > > took into custody for supporting terrorist.
> > american
> > > > citizen. they have not charged him, they have
> > not let
> > > > him get legal councel. this is very wrong.
> > people have
> > > > been killed by law enforcement that i think
> > charged
> > > > that they were into the drug business, when in
> > fact
> > > > the county just wanted the person's property. i
> > am not
> > > > a fan of government run amuc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Scott Sands <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > > Whoa.
> > > > >
> > > > > First of all, let's be fair about what Bill
> > Clinton
> > > > > did--he lied about an
> > > > > affair.  How many men have done jail time for
> > that?
> > > > > Second, let's be fair
> > > > > about what Hillary Clinton has done--she has
> > run
> > > > > campaigns the way
> > > > > politicians have been running them in this
> > country
> > > > > for years and years.
> > > > >
> > > > > What George W. Bush has done to the office of
> > > > > President and to the
> > > > > Constitution of this country (particularly to
> > the
> > > > > doctrine of habeus corpus)
> > > > > is far more troubling to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:34 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Ironies
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > margret thacher was a powerful woman. she
> > did not
> > > > > > switch her opinions with every poll or every
> > focus
> > > > > > group that met. i might add that she did not
> > get
> > > > > her
> > > > > > power from a man she married. she did not
> > run
> > > > > > campaigns with hand picked news personnel
> > that
> > > > > would
> > > > > > only ask questions that she wanted ask. mrs
> > > > > clinton
> > > > > > has never been in a public forum that she
> > has not
> > > > > > control who would be there.
> > > > > >   powerful? not my definition of powerful.
> > hate,
> > > > > no
> > > > > > lets usethe right word, despise is the word
> > and
> > > > > > whatthese two did to the office of the
> > president
> > > > > and
> > > > > > to the constitution of this country is the
> > reason
> > > > > that
> > > > > > i dispise both of them.
> > > > > >   questioned answered.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- "K. Salkin" <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > Now com'on guys.  Why do you hate her so
> > much?
> > > > > > > She's a powerful woman but I
> > > > > > > fail to see where she's so evil.  If
> > you're
> > > > > thinking
> > > > > > > Whitewater remember
> > > > > > > that her involvement was never proved in
> > that
> > > > > case.
> > > > > > > I've seen far more
> > > > > > > evidence of misuse in power by men and no
> > one
> > > > > bats
> > > > > > > an eye.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm beginning to think that men fear
> > powerful
> > > > > women.
> > > > > > > ;-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kat
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "ken barber" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy
> > > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 3:07 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Ironies
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > well, mag, i have been watching politics
> > since
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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