At least we agree on that!  I'm a 'constitutionist' and I hate to see our
civil liberties tampered with, even to fight terrorism.  It's one more
reason for me to hate Bin Laden and others of his ilk.

But you know, Al Queda isn't the only terrorist network out there. There are
the IRA, the Provs, the Basques, the Path of the Shining Way (from Peru), et
al., and I include the drug lords in that group, too.  So if it hadn't been
Al Queda, it would've been someone else, IMHO. It was just a matter of time.

Kat

----- Original Message -----
From: "ken barber" <[log in to unmask]>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Ironies


> well, kat you can tell by my response to scott, that i
> am concerned about loss of basic liberty. this patriot
> act scares me. it tramples over civil liberties in the
> name of security.
>   i think i'd take my chances with the chances of
> homicide bombers and stay free.
>
> --- "K. Salkin" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > I am so troubled at the loss of our basic liberties
> > due to the habeas corpus
> > doctrine it's keeping me awake at times.  I think
> > this is one of the things
> > that will make it harder for Bush to win his next
> > election.  We Americans
> > don't fully understand what we've lost in the name
> > of homeland security.
> >
> > Kat
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Sands" <[log in to unmask]>
> > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 3:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: Ironies
> >
> >
> > > Whoa.
> > >
> > > First of all, let's be fair about what Bill
> > Clinton did--he lied about an
> > > affair.  How many men have done jail time for
> > that?  Second, let's be fair
> > > about what Hillary Clinton has done--she has run
> > campaigns the way
> > > politicians have been running them in this country
> > for years and years.
> > >
> > > What George W. Bush has done to the office of
> > President and to the
> > > Constitution of this country (particularly to the
> > doctrine of habeus
> > corpus)
> > > is far more troubling to me.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:34 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Ironies
> > >
> > >
> > > > margret thacher was a powerful woman. she did
> > not
> > > > switch her opinions with every poll or every
> > focus
> > > > group that met. i might add that she did not get
> > her
> > > > power from a man she married. she did not run
> > > > campaigns with hand picked news personnel that
> > would
> > > > only ask questions that she wanted ask. mrs
> > clinton
> > > > has never been in a public forum that she has
> > not
> > > > control who would be there.
> > > >   powerful? not my definition of powerful. hate,
> > no
> > > > lets usethe right word, despise is the word and
> > > > whatthese two did to the office of the president
> > and
> > > > to the constitution of this country is the
> > reason that
> > > > i dispise both of them.
> > > >   questioned answered.
> > > >
> > > > --- "K. Salkin" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > > Now com'on guys.  Why do you hate her so much?
> > > > > She's a powerful woman but I
> > > > > fail to see where she's so evil.  If you're
> > thinking
> > > > > Whitewater remember
> > > > > that her involvement was never proved in that
> > case.
> > > > > I've seen far more
> > > > > evidence of misuse in power by men and no one
> > bats
> > > > > an eye.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm beginning to think that men fear powerful
> > women.
> > > > > ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Kat
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "ken barber" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 3:07 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Ironies
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > well, mag, i have been watching politics
> > since i
> > > > > was
> > > > > > in middle school. back then i did not
> > identify
> > > > > with
> > > > > > either party. i can say that nobody in my
> > time has
> > > > > > struck me as being even a close 2nd to
> > hillary
> > > > > > clinton.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > > > > In a message dated 6/7/03 8:24:16 PM
> > Pacific
> > > > > > > Daylight Time,
> > > > > > > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Which 'baby Bush' are you referring to,
> > Mag?
> > > > > > > There are two out there!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the one in 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. ;-<
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mag
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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