Musa,

You do not dissapoint me in any way.

We just happen to be have a different take on the issue that's all.

I just pointed out my opinion.


Best Regards and talk to you soon.

Ablie




>From: Musa Jeng <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: It wasn't me
>Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:02:09 -0400
>
>Mr. Njie
>I hate to disappoint you, but I was not able to reasonably deduce the same
>conclusion you
>came up with, that the man is about to jump to anywhere.
>
>Gentlemen, it is so unfortunate that on the G-L one has to either echo the
>agenda of the
>government,and be labeled as sycophants, or you have to belong to that
>clique bent on a
>brutal campaign against the status quo. And when anyone dare to be
>objective, constructive,
>or call as you see it, you are force to choose side. Remind me of President
>Bush's
>ridiculous statement of either with us, or with the terrorist.
>
>Maybe some of us are very uncomfortable with both sides, and are driven by
>the real truth.
>
>Musa Jeng
>
>Abdoul Njie wrote:
>
> > Dr. Touray,
> >
> > Without attempting to validate some of the developments you have pointed
>on
> > my part, and since I do not believe that one has to be either for or
>against
> > as I am an advocate of objectivity on this forum.
> >
> > I have to also say that one can reasonably read from some of the
>statements
> > in your piece that you might be  about to JUMP ship sooner or later to
>the
> > APRC if the price is right.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Ablie Njie-Lekbi
> >
> > >From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: It wasn't me
> > >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:02:16 -0400
> > >
> > >Dr. Touray, I hope you are having a good time with your family and
>friends
> > >you have not seen for a long time. Believe it or not, I understand the
>very
> > >‘difficult’ situation you and people like Dr. Saine are in. You are
> > >basically decent people with a conscience. You are also human beings
>that
> > >want to look after yourselves in your dealings with the Dictatorship.
>This
> > >is NOT an easy thing to do in Gambia. HOWEVER in this WAR with the
> > >Dictatorship, one can either be for or against the defenseless masses.
>You
> > >can be on the offense or on the defense, but NOT on the fence.
> > >
> > >When you narrated your ‘pleasant surprise’ upon arrival at the airport,
>I
> > >was NOT surprised that you hasten to add that you were NOT ‘an
>apologist
> > >for
> > >the present government’. Just what made you think that some of us will
> > >construe your statement as a covert endorsement of the NIA and the
> > >Dictatorship? Does it have anything to do with the fact that
>irrespective
> > >of
> > >your lame denial, you are in fact endorsing the Dictatorship?
> > >
> > >See, BEFORE some of you left to The Gambia, many people knew about your
> > >planned trip. Some knew through none other than Essa Sey. The mental
> > >midgets
> > >running our country might be the dumbest Gambians on the face of the
>earth,
> > >BUT they sure know how to ‘self-preserve’. The LAST thing the
>Dictatorship
> > >would have done under the circumstances would be to ‘arrest’ you or Dr.
> > >Saine as soon as you set foot in the country. Essa Sey already warned
>them
> > >against that. The fact that the NIA did NOT arrest you should NOT be a
> > >‘pleasant surprise’. They have no business arresting you in the first
> > >place.
> > >For you people to fall for this gimmick and openly do the
>AFPRC/APRC/NIA PR
> > >‘job’ for them, is grossly pathetic, to say the least.
> > >
> > >Why am I fussing about this seemingly benign revelation from you? The
> > >untrained eye that reads your ‘endorsement’ of the NIA would question
> > >him/herself: ‘well Dr. Touray is a ‘staunch critic’ of the AFPRC/APRC
> > >regime
> > >and he was NOT arrested by the NIA, maybe the other ‘critics’ like Dumo
> > >that
> > >have been arrested did something criminal to necessitate their arrests?
> > >Just
> > >maybe the journalists that were abducted and tortured by the NIA did
> > >something to deserve their treatment or perhaps they were never
>tortured by
> > >the NIA in the first place?’ People read your stuff and think that Waa
> > >Juwara makes up the atrocities he has been reporting about AFPRC/APRC
> > >thugs.
> > >People read about your ‘experience’ (or lack thereof) and think that
>OJ’s
> > >passport was NOT seized or if it was seized, OJ must have done
>something to
> > >deserve that.
> > >
> > >You people are NOT stupid. You read into your statements the very
>things I
> > >read into them; which is why you hasten to add that you do NOT want to
>be
> > >seen as apologists for the Dictatorship. That caveat is meaningless
>after
> > >the deed has already been done. It is incumbent on some of us, after
> > >reading
> > >about your ‘experiences’ to put things in perspective and remind
>Gambians
> > >that the same NIA that let you go (because of the intervention of
>mental
> > >midgets like Essa Sey) are holding people like Dumo hostage. The same
> > >Dictatorship NEVER attempted to burn down Ousainou Darboe’s house, but
>they
> > >attempted to burn down Waa Juwara’s house. Did we hear Ousainou Darboe
> > >describing as a ‘pleasant surprise’ the fact that his house was not
>burnt
> > >and he is a ‘critic’ of the illegal outfit ruining our country? Darboe
> > >knows
> > >that if he does that, he stands the chance of being accused of mocking
>Waa
> > >Juwara. Ignoring the plight of Gambians that are constantly being
>harassed
> > >by the NIA and APRC thugs, and reporting ‘stage-managed’ (by Essa Sey)
> > >experiences that tacitly endorse the NIA, is a mockery to the numerous
> > >victims of that illegal outfit. Yes! You were NOT arrested. Neither was
>Dr.
> > >Saine. Nor was Kabir or Sanusi. Allow us also to point out that the
> > >Dictatorship railroaded ‘critics like Muhammed Sillah, Emmanuel Joof,
>Waa
> > >Juwara, OJ, Alagie Mbye. This is just naming people that had encounters
> > >with
> > >the NIA that I know of within the past twelve months. I am NOT even
>talking
> > >about Dumo et al that were abducted in broad daylight by the NIA and
> > >incarcerated incommunicado for crimes that they NEVER committed. It is
>your
> > >prerogative to report ‘pleasant surprises’ with the NIA. It is also our
> > >prerogative to report UNPLEASANT EXPERIENCES our people are having with
>the
> > >NIA. To people like Dumo, the NIA spells live and death situations. To
> > >those
> > >people, talking about the NIA is NOT a matter of hiding behind benign
>words
> > >to send covert messages.
> > >
> > >Dr. Touray, I was NOT surprised that you have NOT been to the country
>for
> > >this amount of years. With all due respect, people like you are prime
> > >candidates for the LIES AFPRC/APRC sycophants want to perpetuate here
>on
> > >G_L
> > >and elsewhere, if you do NOT constructively engage reliable Gambians
>living
> > >in that Hell Hole. A critical person before he sees ‘developments’ in
>the
> > >country and start apportioning ‘credit and commendation’ would first of
>all
> > >figure out the ownership of that ‘development’. Take the TV for
>instance.
> > >Commendation here, does it belong to the government that brought and
> > >nurtured Gamtel or to the government that brought a TV station that is
>NOT
> > >sustainable and shamelessly allows itself to be used a tool for the
> > >Dictatorship? I do NOT even want to talk about the ‘roads’. No amount
>of
> > >wishful thinking can get those ‘dust-bowls’ paved. Since AFPRC/APRC is
> > >bereft of really positive things to talk about, they can be my guest
>and
> > >dream about roads. They can even report that they ‘plan’ to put a
>Gambian
> > >in
> > >Mars by year 2020. That is neither here nor there. The bottom-line is
>that
> > >MOST of the good roads that are in that country were put there BEFORE
>1994.
> > >After a bunch of thugs STOLE power from a democratically elected
> > >government,
> > >it is obvious that they would be the ones responsible for implementing
>some
> > >of the projects that were conceived by the former regime. Ten-year-olds
> > >could have implemented these projects. To list these as ‘major
> > >achievements’
> > >of this shameless regime, just goes to show us what we are dealing
>with. We
> > >are dealing with a bunch of inept morons that CANNOT take the country
> > >forward.
> > >
> > >Allow me Dr. Touray to also disagree with your following observation
>about
> > >the country: ‘it’s on the move, and very encouragingly, in what I [Dr.
> > >Touray] think is the right direction.” Emphasis mine. Either you want
>to
> > >misinform your readership or you are reading the situation totally
>wrong.
> > >Our people are getting POORER by the day and you are saying that things
>are
> > >moving in the ‘right direction’? I beg your pardon. Don’t be fooled by
> > >changing a few dollars and getting a bag-full of dalasis. That might be
>a
> > >sign of ‘good things’ to you with the dollars. BUT think about the
> > >unemployed Gambian whose cost for a bag of rice has just gone up. We
>still
> > >have a lot of ISSUES outstanding with this illegal government. You
> > >witnessed
> > >the ‘elections’ that chanced in the country. Does it look like a
>Democracy
> > >to you? You think our ‘democratic credentials’ are pointing to the
>‘right
> > >direction’? You think the courts are serving people like Dumo and the
> > >victims of the Massacre of April 10 and 11, 2000? I do NOT even have
>time
> > >to
> > >talk about our farmers, the teachers, the civil servants held under
>hostage
> > >and the average Gambian that CANNOT afford three square meals a day,
>like
> > >they used to. You CANNOT possibly be saying that the Gambian population
> > >that
> > >has grown POORER under AFPRC/APRC is ‘moving in the right direction’.
>You
> > >must have been fed a lot of LIES about what chanced before 1994. For
>your
> > >information, before 1994, Gambians were living lot better than now.
>This is
> > >NOT me talking. This is Famara Jatta talking. In this day and age,
>Gambians
> > >NOT suffering from Ales should have expected the government to do lot
> > >better
> > >than the democratically elected government it stole power from.
>Whichever
> > >way you slice it, this government (on its own admission) is taking us
> > >BACKWARDS. They say people are POORER under them. Why would anyone want
>to
> > >read into that statement of the government that Gambians are ‘moving in
>the
> > >right direction’? Is becoming POORER the right direction for Gambians?
>I do
> > >NOT think so.
> > >
> > >Finally Dr. Touray, I saw your ‘appeal’ to certain ‘Diasporans’ to
>return
> > >and help in the development of the country. I think you genuinely mean
> > >this.
> > >But this again betrays some naivete in your part. If you really think
>that
> > >one does not have to play ball with the APRC Dictatorship in order to
>make
> > >a
> > >‘meaningful development’ in the country, then I have a bridge to sell
>you.
> > >No person in this world can come to the Gambia and make a meaningful
> > >contribution without ‘endorsing’ the indefensible positions of the
> > >AFPRC/APRC. As I started above, in this WAR, one CANNOT be neutral. If
>the
> > >AFPRC/APRC massacres innocent children and you stay mute, you are
> > >‘endorsing’ their position. If Yaya STEALS the proceeds of a ‘Crude Oil
> > >Grant’ given to the country and you stay mute, you are ‘endorsing’
>their
> > >position. You would undoubtedly be labeled an AFPRC/APRC apologist if
>you
> > >stay mute about these vices, but are eager to ‘give credit to or
>commend’
> > >the government for ‘projects’ they CANNOT even claim ownership of.
> > >
> > >This is what the government ‘FORCES’ people to be if they want to
> > >‘contribute meaningfully to the development of the country’. The
>government
> > >wants you to ignore their vices and exaggerate their ‘achievements’. To
>me,
> > >this translates to being in ‘cahoots’ with the Dictatorship. Any
>Gambian
> > >that partakes in this despicable behavior is an APRC apologist in my
>book.
> > >Yes! Not every Gambian that is contributing to society partakes in this
> > >despicable behavior of ignoring the vices and exaggerating the
> > >achievements.
> > >The point is, those Gambians are NOT ‘ALLOWED’ by this illegal
>government
> > >to
> > >contribute to the development of the country in a meaningful manner. It
> > >would be nice for accomplished scientists like Yusupha Jow to return
>and
> > >contribute in the country instead of having mental midgets at Gamtel
>that
> > >do
> > >NOT know A from B. But is it realistic to think that Jow would be
>‘allowed’
> > >to contribute to the development of Gamtel if the man has a conscience
>and
> > >genuinely criticizes the government for heinous crimes like the
>massacre of
> > >defenseless children? Of course we all know the answer. Let us say that
>Jow
> > >wanted to go to the country and NOT work for Gamtel or other government
> > >institution. It would be a piece of cake to this illegal government to
>ruin
> > >the man in a heartbeat because they believe he is ‘unpatriotic’. To the
> > >morons, one is ‘unpatriotic’ if one criticizes them for stealing money
>from
> > >us and killing our children. You (Dr. Touray) must know about what
>happened
> > >to Alimenta in the country. This company used to bring over $20 million
>in
> > >the country to buy the farmers’ groundnuts cash down. No worthless
> > >promissory notes. When Baabaa Jobe wanted some dubious Libyans to take
> > >their
> > >place, the company was sent parking. This erratic move later costs our
> > >taxpayers $12 million in EU grants and continues to cost our farmers to
> > >this
> > >day. And mind you, Alimenta was NOT even ‘criticizing’ this government
>as
> > >any decent Gambian should criticize them for holding the Gambian people
> > >hostage. Just like you (Dr. Touray) are entitled to read the situation
>in a
> > >particular light and ‘encourage’ certain ‘Diasporans’ to park and go to
>the
> > >Hell Hole, I would tell those people that they do NOT have to be in
>Gambia
> > >to contribute to the development of that country. Matter of fact, being
>in
> > >Gambia reduces ones chances for meaningful contribution. Nowadays when
> > >people go to the country, they jettison their principles in the
>Diaspora
> > >and
> > >go to the country and run after crumbs from the Dictatorship. Flipping
> > >burgers in the Diaspora and earning enough to feed your family at home
>and
> > >having the ‘luxury’ to be a HUMAN BEING that can say that murder of
> > >defenseless children is wrong and that murderers should NOT lead us, is
> > >BETTER than going to Gambia and kissing up to the Dictatorship in order
>to
> > >make ends meet.
> > >KB
> > >
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