Hi Kyle,

           What does this mean " You can purchase 9,999 rounds in any one
config before you have to have a
BATF FFL (10K rounds is the break-point) "as an non hunting,shooting human
the terms are baffling.


                                        Trisha

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cleveland, Kyle E. [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:15 PM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Re: another shooting
>
> You can purchase 9,999 rounds in any one config before you have to have a
> BATF FFL (10K rounds is the break-point).  You could shoot for years
> before
> having to purchase more ammo.  Like you, Bobby, I think the guy is
> "getting
> off" by pulling a flawless execution.  A couple of co-workers have said,
> "Well, the guy must not be all that good if he's just getting
> 'center-of-mass' shots now--no head shots."  Criminy!  The target this
> morning was moving up the bus stairs!  It's not that easy to put shots on
> a
> moving target at 100+ meters.
>
> The other thing that strikes me is that there has been no
> over-penetration.
> All of the torso rounds (I'm pretty sure) have expended their energy in
> the
> body cavity.  This would tell me that he is NOT using military issue FMJ.
> With full-metal jacket, by Geneva Convention, the bullet does not mushroom
> or fragment, but passes through the tissue.  A military round will poke
> clean holes in a body.  The reason for this is simple:  in wartime, the
> idea
> is not to kill as many enemy as possible, but to incapacitate.  If you
> wound
> a man, it takes another three or four soldiers to get him out of the
> kill-box.  That's four or five fewer soldiers shooting at you and you can
> press your advantage.  If you kill a soldier outright, then his comrades
> don't need to come to his aid and can continue to shoot at you.
>
> The rounds this guy is using appear to he hunting rounds, which expand on
> contact with tissue, creating lots of hydrostatic shock and a big wound
> channel to cause rapid blood loss and a quick death.  The only reason his
> targets seem to be surviving so well is that the First Responders are able
> to get fluids quickly into the victims' systems.
>
> Bobby, I agree with you:  I think the guy is reverse-engineering his
> targets.  His priority is planning his escape route and builds an op
> around
> those parameters.  His targets seem to be targets of opportunity, but he's
> also been careful to cover a wide demographic.
>
> -Kyle
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BG Greer, PhD [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:45 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: another shooting
>
>
> There are alot of gun owners who use this calibre ammunition. It fits 30
> different weapons. The guy stakes out his scenes, especially an escape
> route.
> The victim, per se, is more or less random. As Kat said yesterday, he is a
> wiley fox.
>
> Bobby