Oh sure, I'm not taking any of this personally.  Nothing I like better 'n' a
debate.*grin*

Kat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barber, Kenneth L." <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Can't stand it anymore....


> i'll pick up here in a day or so. in the meantime just knbow that we agree
> to disagree. friendly of course.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Salkin Kathleen
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: 8/30/2002 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Can't stand it anymore....
>
> Ken,
>
> I don't think you can separate environmental issues from economics and
> that's why the summit in Kyoto was as much about economics as the
> environment.
>
> We need to realise that third world countries see industrial nations as
> being major polluters because they are the ones who build the factories,
> and
> exhibit conspicuous consumption of the Earth's resources.  And there's a
> grain of truth in it.  I don't agree that third world countries pollute
> more
> than industrial countries except in the matter of overpopulation and
> human
> waste products.  We industrialised nations have  more pollutants in
> toxic
> wastes and air quality.
>
> One only need read Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring," and Paul Erlich's
> "The
> Population Bomb" to gain another perspective on these issues.
>
> Kat
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barber, Kenneth L." <[log in to unmask]>
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Can't stand it anymore....
>
>
> >   deri, you are very rarely wrong, but, i think that the worst
> poluters in
> > the world are the third world countries. and you are right in one way,
> this
> > conference as was kyoto is mostly PR or more corectly proproganda.  it
> is
> > billed as environmental, but, they are talking ecconomics. mostly anti
> > capitalist ecconmics (i think capitalism has worked better than any
> other
> > ecconomic system).   i think that is why mr bush chose not to attend
> either
> > and only dispacted someone to represent our interest.
> >   i hope that what would be right for us would be right for most of
> the
> > world. that is not always the case. mr bush is not president of the
> world
> he
> > is the u.s. leader. you'll have to look to majors to represent
> england.
> > although we have rarely been at odds in the last century.
> > cheers my good friend.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deri James
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: 8/30/2002 5:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: Can't stand it anymore....
> >
> > On Friday 30 Aug 2002 2:58 am, Barber, Kenneth L. wrote:
> > >  i can't disagree. there will be changes if saddam falls, from us
> > > or from within. and i'll say this, noi matter how well intended mr
> > > bush might be, the changes may very well be different from what he
> > > expects. may be different that what others expect. it will be
> > > unpredictable. i want him to be careful what ever he does. i pray
> > > that if we do something or refrain from doing something, that it
> > > will be right for our country first and then right for the rest of
> > > the innocent people of the world.
> >
> > Ahh, there's the problem, what if he does something he considers right
> > for your country, but is most definitely "not right" for the rest of
> > the innocent people of the rest of the world. How do you think the
> > rest of the world views the fact that Bush can't be bothered to
> > attend the current conference in South Africa attempting to improve
> > the economic position of the poorest, or that since the last World
> > Conference in Kyoto the US is the only major country which has
> > actually increased pollution. It is the PR from things like this
> > which provides fodder for tomorrows extremists.
> >
> > > i'll interject here that saddam is a dictator, but, then so are the
> > > leaders of most of the mid east countrys including our buddies in
> > > the house of Sauld. the common people don't get any of that oil
> > > money.
> > >
> >
> > Dictatorship is a very old political system, practically every country
> > mentioned in the Bible had one. The problem is not the system, its
> > the individual.
> >
> > "Never touch a man's rum, bum, baccy or politics" - Chief Petty
> > Officer Redmond MBE Royal Navy (Retired).
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Deri