Jabou, thanks for your interjection.  The same thing I said about Jammeh is
the same thing I said about Ebou - they are all thieves and criminals.  My
reference to Ebou not going home is to show him that with all his posturing
on this forum, he still cannot go home because he has raccoons like him
waiting for him.  I did not make them, they made themselves and this has
nothing to do with what I think, just like the murder of Koro and many
others has nothing to do with me or any of us.  Jabou please do not stretch
my comment to what it is not.  If Ebou believes in all the BS he has been
spreading in your exchange with him, then why is he not at home?  His mother
died and he still cannot go back home and I am reminding him that he is
fooling none but himself and the gullible and I have no remorse about that.

I will say it again, Ebou is going to pay us in full and will tell us about
the many murders he witnessed/participated, same as Yaya or anyone else.
You have a right to go back and forth with Ebou, however, some of us are not
into that with him.

Ebou has called us all sorts of things, the latest is Monkeys, heathens,
etc., I suppose that has a place for him.  Jabou, with all due respect I
think you are very condescending in this your remark:

"If we cannot separate the issue of an individual's guilt or innocence and
the protection of rights under a just system, then we have missed the point
entirely."

I suppose you are the only one who can.  Please relate to Ebou the way you
want to and leave others to do as they see fit.  This is not the first time
you heard me deal with Ebou and it won't be the last.  I am going to be on
Ebou's tail regardless of who is in his defense.

Observation:  How come when we talk about Jammeh and others killing and
stealing all say amen.  However, when it comes to a thief and liar called
Ebou Jallow Jammeh then we hear moralizers say: only God can judge him; he
is innocent until proven guilty; speak in terms of he being alleged to have
stole; he said he did not take it and I believe him; he said he did not
kill, but he told us he heard/saw others kill; Why don't these same
moralizers say the same about Jammeh and others?

Folks, if Ebou can come to us reckless, I shall give it back to him and then
some and I am apologizing to none.  I hope I'm clear.

Chi Jaama

Joe Sambou





>From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: On the issue of Ebou Jallow's late mom
>Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:22:43 EDT
>
>In a message dated 10/7/03 5:05:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > Don't tell me you do not
> > want to visit your mothers grave (rest in peace)?
>
>At the risk of being labelled with all sorts of labels, this needs to be
>said
>and I am going to say it because we have to be able to step back and view
>situations with a clear head and address the issues that need to be
>addressed
>just because that is the right thing to do; and because we cannot afford to
>loose
>sight of the real issues in any discussion or we will not get anywhere.
>
>People, I would like to appeal to all of you who have made mention of the
>above topic to please not include this topic in the discussions anymore. I
>should
>think that a topic like this has no place in our discussions regarding the
>situation at home. Every time I hear this mentioned, my heart bleeds, why?
>because I would like to believe that we are a people driven by decency and
>the
>conviction to institute a system of government that ensures the protection
>of
>rights, and that is why we are out here registering our protest. Therefore,
>there
>is no place in such an endeavour to taunt people regarding the death of a
>loved one, otherwise, we are no better than the brutal regime that is
>making life
>miserable for our people.
>
>All of us have lost loved ones who have absolutely nothing to do with this
>regime or the crimes perpetrated by their  offspring or relatives. They
>deserve
>to be accorded the respect due to them even  in death regardless of what
>their
>relatives may be accused of.
>If we cannot separate the issue of an individual's guilt or innocence and
>the
>protection of rights under a just system, then we have missed the point
>entirely.
>
>The constitution of the Unied States surpasses any other in the protection
>of
>the human rights of the individual and those who fight to protect it, be
>they
>individuals, lawyers or judges are the reason it stays intact for the
>benefit
>of all. Under this system, the issue between the persons' guilt or
>innocence
>and his rights under the system are never compromised no matter what they
>are
>accused of or even sharged with, and that is why it can continue to be a
>viable system. The guardians of the system know that they cannot afford to
>loose
>sight of the fact that if a person's guilt or innocence becomes
>personalized by
>the guardians of the system, then that can compromises not only  the
>accused
>person's rights but that of the entire citizenry under teh same system.
>It is fine line to walk, but walk it we must so that we do not ourselves
>turn
>into the dictators we are supposedly fighting. We cannot afford to be
>selective in the administration of justice and the protection of the human
>rights of
>the individual at any point in time, no matter how angry we are at that
>person.
>
>We have to remember that as citizens who stand up for justice and who
>purport
>to speak on behalf of the people, we have to be clear headed enough so that
>our fight does not become personal, but rather an attempt to insitute a
>just
>system. A just system ensures the rights of all people, and it is the laws
>we
>institute in such a system, and not individuals that determines the
>appropriate
>punishment for all crimes against the state or any member of the society,
>and
>a court of law is the venue for such decisions. Therefore, even the
>utterance
>of words that imply the violation of the rights of the individual is
>irresponsible and dangerous.
>One of the main issues we have with the APRC regime is that they are not
>operating within the law, and a society where people threaten to take the
>law into
>their own hands becomes a promise of another dictatorship.
>
>In the U.S, even the most despicable criminals are accorded their day in
>court, and all the rights guaranteed to them under the constitution. If
>they
>cannot afford a lawyer, one is appointed for them and paid for by the
>state. The
>courts then decide the guilt and innocence of that person and the
>appropriate
>punishment is handed down. Even if someone kills your family member, you
>cannot
>shoot him or even threaten ot do so in public. This is so that individuals
>do
>not take the law into their one hands and thereby compromise the protection
>it
>accords to all.
>
>This system of laws that protect our rights is what  is being compromised
>by
>the APRC regime, and this is what we are fighting against. In our fight  to
>istitute a fair and just system, we must never forget that at no point in
>time
>can we threaten to abbrogate the rights of even someone who is alleged to
>have
>committed crimes against us. We simply cannot afford such short
>sightedness.
>
>If we start sounding like the APRC regime who think they are a law unto
>themselves, this is a frightening prospect because then one is likely to
>believe
>that given the opportunity to hold positions of power, such persons will
>see
>themselves as a law unto themselves, and this is the direct opposite of
>what I
>assume we are working to accomplish.
>
>Let us take the issue of Ebou Jallow not being able to go home and disect
>that point. Why is he not able to go home? Supposedly because the APRC
>regime
>will arrest or kill him, or do any number of things to him. Why? perhaps
>because
>he allegedly took three million dollars, but the money was alleged to be
>put
>into an illegal account for the regime. If all of that should prove true,
>then
>is it not a case of one of them trying to outsmart the other in an attempt
>to
>defraud the Gambian people? If we taunt one of them for not being able to
>go
>home, are we not cheering the others in their attempt to silence someone
>who
>may be guilty of the same crime as those hunting for him are?
>
>Let us also take the issue of people not being able to go home. I put it to
>you that there are many others whom the APRC regime would like to lay their
>hands on, and their only crime is that they have consistently spoken out
>against
>the injustices metted out to our people by this regime. If any outspoken
>person goes home, they will probably meet the same fate Ebou Jallow would
>at the
>hands of the regime.
>If we have a country where any citizen fears going home, that is a problem
>for all of us.
>
>Therefore people, these are points that should make it abundantly clear to
>all of us that we cannot afford to be selective when it comes to the
>protection
>of the rights of any Gambian, be they alleged criminals or otherwise.
>Again, I repeat that what we need to focus on is the establishment of a
>constitution that protects the rights of all so that our own will never be
>compromised, and to have people in positions of leadership who will not
>loose sight of
>the important issue of never personalizing any issues such that we
>jeopadize
>that very system.
>
>Jabou Joh
>
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