> I'm not arguing that people didn't eat fish prior to the
> mesolithic; I am arguing that fish probably weren't the main
> source of om-3 fats until the late paleo/meso period.
well i think this would depend from area to area...inland peoples would get
more from bains of mammals, coastal peoples from sea creatures. It's trivial
to quibble about dates, unless to discuss each area and peoples
specifically. aborigines were paleo until 1788. the point is, prior to
agriculture, peoples ate whateevr they could get their hands on from the
sea, from rivers and from lakes.
>The only claim of the sort that I know of is that the *ratio* of >om-6 to
om-3 is too high.
either because Om-6 is too high, Om-3 is too low, or both. We know the first
is not true. The second is true. But land mammals are not a great source of
Om-3 compared with sea species anyway.
> But that is only one issue about domesticated fatty meat.
> Another is the ratio of MUFA, SFA, and PUFA in wild versus > domesticated
fatty meat. In wild game meats, the ratio is
> roughly this: MUFA = SFA + PUFA. In feedlot animal fat, it's quite
different.
which fat are u talking about? intramuscular i guess. As i think you are not
talking about marrow or depot fat, or subcutaneous. Since primitive man ate
all these fats, this comparison becomes meaningless unless you ate only this
fat. there are a variety of ratios of different kinds of fats in different
kinds of meats...let me know what the ratios are for eel, turtle, bear,
herring, bush turkey, etc etc etc. Cordain must have done all this analysis.
How do u get from "intramuscular fat is not the same as it used to be" to
"eat only lean meat and get all your fat from olive oil." ?crazy.
> Why is olive oil not paleo? Incidentally, Audette also
> recommends olive oil.
well, i guess it depends on your definition of paleo. you could squeeze some
oil with your hand out of a primitive olive tree, but it wouldnt be a
regular thing before agriculture.
> That would be incoherent only if DGA and EPA were the only > om-3 oils
there are. Are you lying or incompetent?
I know of one other VLCPUFA - DPA - which has effects on blood pressure and
various other functions. this is also found almost exclusively in sea
creatures - and in this case the best source is sea mammals - so it doesnt
change my basic position. Do you know of any others?
> His view is that the differences between the two >are significant enough
to make the latter something to be >restricted
Tallow is highly saturated fat. Dept fat is highly saturated fat. primitive
man ate depot fat, and every other fat they could eat from animals. This is
not an overly-complex issue. The issue is that Cordain pretends that
saturated fats were a low proportion in diets of primitive man. In his own
words:
"The western diet is overburdened not only by saturated fats, but there is
an imbalance in the type of polyunsaturated fats we eat"
http://216.239.35.100/search?q=cache:4g0L5DD3Zf0C:www.dfhi.com/interviews/co
rdain.html+cordain+loren+saturated&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
since primitive man ate depot fat, how is this true?
further:
"The human dietary staple for more than 2 million years was lean game meat
supplemented by fresh fruits and vegetables"
there it is. primitve man must have thrown way all the marrow, depot fat,
etc etc since he ate only lean meat. you agree with him?
andrew
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