Michael, I've taken the liberty of switching the 'y' and 'z' keys on your keyboard at work. That way you'll have one less thing to re-adjust to when you get back from vacation. Don't bother thanking me, it was my pleasure.
-=-Dan
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:46:29 -0400
From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dangling in Strange Places
Ralph and fellow Pinheads
Presently in Prague performing some serious Caryatid hunting, but wanted to inform zou of the s¨interesting deterioration of the Steinhofkirke in Vienna, where the 100Ë?plus zear old Carrara may have to be replaced because it is severe deformation mode. Only one+ inch thick, the stuff is buckling like crazy, roughlz =the y and z keys here are reversed = 3x3 feet. More later.
Twzbil
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:48:18 -0400
From: Lawrence Kestenbaum <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Herbert Muschamp, NY Times, 6.2.2002....
On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Ralph Walter wrote:
> A man after my own heart!
>
> But why A. M. Rosenthal?
He was the chief apologist for the Serbian nationalists during the war in
Bosnia -- the group which was responsible for most of the atrocities. At
that time, I was following the ex-Yugoslav situation with anguished
fascination, reading all the histories, U.S. and foreign news media, email
newsletters from all sides, etc., etc. I came to see that Rosenthal's
columns on the subject were misleading at best, if not outright dishonest.
As far as he was concerned, the Serb nationalists could do no wrong and
the Bosnian Muslims could do no right. The Croat nationalists were okay
to him only if they were attacking the Bosnian Muslims, in which case he
constantly stressed that the Croats and the Serbs were Christians -- like
that was a relevant distinction under the circumstances, worth repeating
four or five times per column. On the other hand, the fact that many
thousands of Croats and Serbs supported the Bosnian government, opposing
the nationalists, was not worth bringing up at all.
The wars in former Yugoslavia were deadly and horribly destructive, and it
was all unnecessary. The EU and the US had the power to prevent it at the
outset, and deliberately or carelessly threw it away. Two outsiders in
particular who did exactly the wrong thing at critical times -- read any
objective history of the situation -- were Hans-Dietrich Genscher and
James A. Baker. (Don't get me started...) But you wouldn't know any of
that from Rosenthal's columns.
Eventually I noticed that Rosenthal was dishonest about other topics, too.
So I added him to my villain list.
Larry
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:00:46 EDT
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dangling in Strange Places
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Twzbil,
I can set my kezboard to Kraut, but zou can't set zours to English. Zou lose.
The buckling 1" thick 100 zear old Carrara is, as Arte Johnson used saz, verz
interesting. If I remember correctlz, the facing that had to be removed from
the Amoco building in Chicago was Carrara. Of course, the CHicago conginet
maz correct me on this.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Twzbil,
<BR>
<BR>I can set my kezboard to Kraut, but zou can't set zours to English. Zou lose.
<BR>
<BR>The buckling 1" thick 100 zear old Carrara is, as Arte Johnson used saz, verz interesting. If I remember correctlz, the facing that had to be removed from the Amoco building in Chicago was Carrara. Of course, the CHicago conginet maz correct me on this.
<BR>
<BR>Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:43:47 -0400
From: Gabriel Orgrease <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: The Amazing Dangling Callan
John,
Rock climbing may be relevant, moreso than bunjee jumping or cave
diving. You may consider contacting Kent Diebolt at Vertical Access and
discussing the pros & cons of gaining difficult access skills. Though
I'm not sure if he will teach it is his field of expertise. If you
freeze at height you might want to check it out a bit before you invest.
Young woman working for us rapelled out of a helicopter at 350 feet or
something, I'm not quite clear why or the specifics of it. She is from
Texas where I assume young people do these things. Then again, I suspect
between her a jackknife and a feral hog she would not go hungry.
][<en
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:44:38 -0400
From: Gabriel Orgrease <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Preservation Directories
>
>
>
>From: "Donald B. White" <[log in to unmask]>
>
>We always found a lot of outdated info in every source we used, because publishers tend to reprint the same info unless they receive a correction or are asked to delete someone.
>
Persistence of old information. A few years back I was arranging a
directory of histo presto sites on Open Directory, which was eventually
bought up by Netscape or Yahoo, I'm not quite sure where it is now. The
theory was that volunteers in specific interest groups would start up a
classification, my self-selected topic being histo presto, and then
would collect website URLS and/or review websites that submitted for a
listing. I was having fun with this, editing the category that I
created, doing it on an occasional basis, a gradual accumulaiton of neat
histo presto sites.
Very rarely did I have any interaction with anyone within the system,
suits me fine. Power in the system was obtained by how close your edited
categories were to the mighty ONE category of everything, how many
categories you could claim as being within your editing domain, and just
how much time you would have to expend on the project. My consideration
was that the power structure was skewed against expertise, as anyone
with real life expertise is too busy to spend 80 hours a week without
pay on building a search engine. A lot of expertise of students and
well-off idiots.
Then the "owers" hired knowledge-specialists. The thought was that all
the parallel efforts of so many volunteers was making a library with too
many duplicated entries. I don't remember what the knowledge specialists
were called but there is a profession for categorization of information.
Anyways, the experts somewhere off at the other end of the spectrum
wrote up a white paper of rules and very quickly the rules flew down the
line, being distorted into all sorts of shades and nuances by the power
hungry with nothing better to do. Next thing I know, without anyone so
much as asking me my listings were raided and URLS that I had collected
were being disappeared and moved elsewhere. For example, if I had a
listing on ornamental plaster it quickly moved to to some other editor's
area under sheetrock.
I was feeling stressed and a bit peeved about the whole thing, and had
gotten to a point where I was not too sure I wanted to have the
responsibility any longer. I started writing nasty notes to the power
brokers. Feeling chipper I took advantage of my skills at sounding like
a raving fanatic. I insulted the intelligence of everyone involved and
was quite sarcastic and demeaning. I found one person, a woman in
England, who had some intelligence. She warned me to cool it. I thanked
her. I was not interested in cooling it. I then went in and began
removing all of the URLS that I had listed, mind you, I was having a
good time going nuts with a simulated virtual suicide.
The "administrators" of the list sent me warnings to cease and desist
with removing the URLS I had collected. To me the whole thing smacked of
my right of use in exchange for free labor and their sense of property.
They kept telling me that the listings I had compiled were not my
property. I agreed with them, though the were not as inclined to think
that it was not their property either. I was unreasonable. I believe
that we all have a right to be unreasonable and I was feeling out of
practice.
I kept pushing, removing more than 3/4 of the URLS in one late-night
flurry, and then I got locked out of the system. It also locked me out
of the contemporary short story and creative writing section that I had
cultivated. At this point I said piss on it. All this being as it is I
now find, several years later, that I can go on the web searching for
listings of historic preservation websites and I find the exact pattern
of the heirarchy of categorization that I had originally made. Seems the
one big list that I made a very small piece to, and was essentially
ignored for several years, persists and has become a backbone for a
variety of other lists.
I think the most important final criteriaon John Leeke's list, and one
often stepped over, is gut feeling. My mother was in a quandry about
which of three contractors she should select to replace the tile in her
bathroom. Mind you, my mother is particular enough, and knows enough
about trades work, that I myself would not want to do work for her
without sufficient pre-project begging. I did not know any of her
choices. We conducted the discussion on the phone. We went through
price, skill, references, and how each of their families was doing.
After hearing the pros and cons for each contractor we were nowhere
closer to a decision between them. They all sounded qualified and
experienced. I finally got her down to telling me which one she liked.
She went with the contractor that she liked and has not once expressed a
regret over the job.
][<en
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:16:55 EDT
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Dangling in Strange Places
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In a message dated 6/2/2002 2:47:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
=20
writes:
> Presently in Prague performing some serious Caryatid hunting, but wanted t=
o=20
> inform zou of the s=A8interesting deterioration of the Steinhofkirke in=20
> Vienna, where the 100? plus zear old Carrara may have to be replaced=20
> because it is severe deformation mode. Only one+ inch thick, the stuff is=20
> buckling like crazy, roughlz =3Dthe y and z keys here are reversed =3D 3x3=
=20
> feet. More later.
>=20
Twzbil or I guess it is Twybil,
I was wondering what the heck was going on. I thought this may have been som=
e=20
special pinhead code.
Steve
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Goudy Old Style" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 6/2/2002 2:47:09 PM Eastern D=
aylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Presently in Prague performing=20=
some serious Caryatid hunting, but wanted to inform zou of the s=A8interesti=
ng deterioration of the Steinhofkirke in Vienna, where the 100? plus zear ol=
d Carrara may have to be replaced because it is severe deformation mode. Onl=
y one+ inch thick, the stuff is buckling like crazy, roughlz =3Dthe y and z=20=
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Twzbil or I guess it is Twybil,<BR>
<BR>
I was wondering what the heck was going on. I thought this may have been som=
e special pinhead code.<BR>
<BR>
Steve</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:21:14 EDT
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Dangling in Strange Places
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In a message dated 6/2/2002 3:01:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> I can set my kezboard to Kraut, but zou can't set zours to English. Zou
> lose.
>
Ralph,
You have me laughing zo hard I have tearz rolling down my face.
Zeve
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 6/2/2002 3:01:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I can set my kezboard to Kraut, but zou can't set zours to English. Zou lose. <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BR>
Ralph,<BR>
<BR>
You have me laughing zo hard I have tearz rolling down my face.<BR>
<BR>
Zeve </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 20:19:43 EDT
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dangling in Strange Places
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In a message dated 6/2/2002 5:22:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> You have me laughing zo hard I have tearz rolling down my face.
>
>
Steve,
As long as zou don't wet Ruth's pants, it's okaz. Isn't that right, Ruth?
[It'll take her a month to respond, but that's okaz, too.]
Ralph
PS-- trz not to get spazed in the meantime.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 6/2/2002 5:22:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You have me laughing zo hard I have tearz rolling down my face.
<BR>
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR>Steve,
<BR>
<BR>As long as zou don't wet Ruth's pants, it's okaz. Isn't that right, Ruth? [It'll take her a month to respond, but that's okaz, too.]
<BR>
<BR>Ralph
<BR>
<BR>PS-- trz not to get spazed in the meantime.</FONT></HTML>
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