On Wed, 29 May 2002 16:17:08 -0400, Todd Moody <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

>On Wed, 29 May 2002, Jim Swayze wrote:
>
>> Todd > ...we can point to populations with very low rates of heart disease
>> whose intake of foreign proteins is nevertheless high (e.g., Masai).
>>
>> I don't think the Masai are a good example.  The Masai traditional diet
>> contains only one non-paleo component: milk.   And I suspect that the milk
>> from natural, free range, grass eating (rather than the milk from modern
>> grain fed, hormone injected) cattle, while not paleo, might be a lesser
>> offending non-paleo food.
>
>Around here, milk is considered to be a major source of foreign
>proteins.  The Masai consume large amounts of it.  If you have
>some reason to think that the milk proteins from the Masai cattle
>are less foreign, then please share it.  That milk might be a
>lesser offending food, but I see no reason to think it is a
>lesser source of foreign proteins than supermarket milk.

Well, I'm sure this has been discussed endlessly before, but then again,
discussion groups usually discuss many topics repeatedly.  :-)

Anyway, there is the D'Adamo claim that herding of animals and milk
consumption thereof, started significantly earlier than agriculture, and
that there are some people who have a physiological adaptation to milk,
depending on who their ancestors were (or where).

In addition, there is the fact that grains and legumes are simply
undigestible (without technological processing), and have no similarity
to anything that was normally eaten by paleo man.

However, there is the fact that livestock milk is similar to a food that
all human's are designed to consume (namely mother's milk), and also
that livestock milk is produced by the same tissues that themselves are
entirely paleo food, namely the carcass of the livestock animal itself.
It just seems odd to me that it would be perfectly okay to consume
mother's milk and perfectly okay to consume goat, but not okay to
consume goat's milk.

If there are problems in consuming livestock milk, then it would make
sense to me that they are quantitatively less severe than those from
consuming grains and legumes.    And, in fact, the variation in
tolerance to those problems would seem to be at least anecdotal evidence
in favor of D'Adamo's theory.

In my own experience (admittedly only one data point), I found no change
whatsoever when I eliminated dairy for several months.    This in
contrast to the widespread and significant changes I experienced when I
reduced my carbohydrate consumption and when I reduced my non-paleo food
consumption.


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Cheers,

Ken
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