Hi Kat,

                         I don't have problem with it either as long as its
not to the exclusion of others things. And off topic discussions are fine -
the problem is when we don't discuss the CP stuff enough - I was talking
about needing to adapt the car for Amber  - only Deri actaully me anything
useful and the rest was all "car" talk. I have in the past seen where people
have said - I hate to break in the all social stuff but I have serious
question. The person who left - did stick around for while and a discussion
we had on the list let them know the questions wouldn't be welcome - even
tho the population and the question where relavant. People should be
comforatble doing both and not feel their questions are an imposition. I
never saw where my adding informational topics on anything including
parenting was any harm. Somewhere along the line - I got the mistaken idea
that C-Palsy was hosted by St John's as a serious list to help people with
problems and research have a forum where they could go , and not a chat
group like you have on Yahoo.

                                                                     Trisha


> I have no problem with Kyle, Bobby, and Ken doing their thing, it provides
> me with a lot of amusement, and frankly, I think it's cool.  Sorry if you
> don't like it, but I'm glad we allow off-topic discussions here.  It'd be
> awfully dull if we didn't.  And if that person had stuck around he or she
> would have discovered we do talk about CP.  They didn't give us a chance,
> that's all.
>
> As for religion, I'm not crazy about paganism or fundamentalism.  However
> I'm willing to learn as long as I'm not preached to.
>
> Kat
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:21:00 -0400 Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Deri,
>
>        You have such a way with words!! I love it.
>
> > You're on a lot firmer ground here, questioning both my intelligence
> > and my sanity, has got to be a win/win everytime. ;-)
> >
>          I think your sanity if fine - I think maybe its benchmark for
> what
> sanity should be!! Can you loan me some? LOL
>
> > Still I do find it a little worrisome that your admitted intention was
> > to blacken someone's name privately, off list.
> >
>         Well, as I said I thought I was only talking Kyle.  If the truth
> blackens someone - maybe they should watch their actions. It would be one
> thing if I were lying trying to make trouble. But I speak the truth. You
> can
> go back thru the e-mails - and see what she has said about her friends and
> family and forcing her to do things and how she drops them. Mind you I am
> one of those people who "forced" her to do things. The whole way we met
> was
> over her interest in Paganism and then she has the gall to say I forced
> her..... NOT. I was glad she had her church and church friends and got out
> of the house. While I have little patience with  fundemetalism, I have no
> problem with religions in general. She was the first person to jump on the
> bandwagon agianst Christians when we got to together..... just as she
> jumps
> on the bandwagon against "TABS"....I am sorry if the truth is ugly.
>
>          I upset people becasue they take my devil advocate position as a
> serious put down to them rather than a simple example of things from a
> different perspective. Just like Kyle got upset about the finanacial way I
> showed child support. It wasn't against him - it was another to look at
> it.
> People tend to think if you aren't with them you are against when you may
> truly not give damn one way or the other. Someone decided after I wrote
> something I wasn't sympathic to disabled folks why becasue I put out a
> different view. Which amuses me - I have a disabled child, disabled boss,
> disabled students, disabled friends, other disabled family and disabled
> customers as well being disabled myself. I am one who caught herself
> wondering what was wrong with that child becasue it was normal.
>
>         I have full sympathy for people but I do have a pet peeve about
> whining about it. I do remember way back - someone else asking someone if
> they wanted a little cheese with their whine. This list is a click and
> mostly its the Kyle, Ken and Bobby hour - some one off list told me this
> was
> the most content free list they had ever seen, and they went away without
> ever asking for help with the problem they had, since they had CP and came
> here for help with a CP related problem - I am afraid that their leaving
> says something about the value of the list and your ability to make people
> feel excluded becasue they don't fit in your groupthink mode.
>
>         How much flack did I get after someone new with a baby ask what is
> CP and I made a educational note about with links. How about the
> mentioning
> the parenting and people got miffed - so .... CP people don't have kids
> ....
> don't needs hints on parenting....... Jennifer of the new baby may
> disagree.
> I was amused when someone told me - finally the list was showing some
> promise of what a great resource it could be. Basically what you have here
> is a homogenous chat group and you police it to make sure it satys that
> way.
> You worry about society sticking you in a cocoon becasue you are disabled
> -
> yet you place yourself in a nice safe cocoon on the list, lets not talk
> about contraversal stuff - but you know - disbility is an equal oppurunity
> enitity so all intelligence levels, religions, social strata's, and
> physical
> abilities are represented as well as a million opinions and view points.
>
>         I need to have access to a varity of information for Amber and my
> students. I also know and acknowlegde that just becasue someone is
> disabled
> doesn't mean they walk on water - last summer my Access class had 3
> disabled
> students, the most severely affected one worked harder than the one with a
> only a vision problem - who spend all his time not coming to class and
> leaving the responisibility of his work on all of us making an exception
> for
> him. okay end of lengthy typying session - and I hate typing!!!.
>
>                                 Trisha
>
> > You're on a lot firmer ground here, questioning both my intelligence
> > and my sanity, has got to be a win/win everytime. ;-)
> >
> > Still I do find it a little worrisome that your admitted intention was
> > to blacken someone's name privately, off list.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Deri (not black, just a v. dark charcoal) :-)
> >
> > On Monday 03 Jun 2002 9:52 pm, Trisha Cummings wrote:
> > > Deri,
> > >
> > >   As I said, I thought that was only going to Kyle. Otherwise I
> > > wouldn't have mentioned Betty. And frankly, I don't have blacken
> > > her name - simple because one is popluar doesn't mean one can't be
> > > underhanded and two faced - in fact if you look at politicans you
> > > will realize its the satus quo. She certainly can be charming - and
> > > fun - I just don't want to ever trust her again or be her friend -
> > > you guys go right ahead.  Its easy to be a bs'er via the computer
> > > you never have face anyone - its tougher face to face. Besides all
> > > her rants about people forcing her to do things and her dropping
> > > the people are on the list - you guys should be bright enough to
> > > put 2 and 2 together - no one has everyone in their life being a
> > > total shit. And if they do maybe they need to look at themselves.
> > >
> > >                                         Trisha
> > >
> > > > I don't think many people are going to be convinced by your
> > > > repeated attempts (this is the second I've seen) to blacken the
> > > > name of someone as popular on the list as Betty.
> > > >
> > > > I do agree about people not being black & white, its just the hue
> > > > of grey which is so variable. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Deri