On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:20:34 +1000, Phosphor <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>tell me Amadeus, why do u rather use flax, which is inedible to humans, and
>contains cyanogenic glucosides and hence hardly useful for day in day out
>consumption [unless you actually have cancer],

first, flax oil tastes great.

second, flax oil is perfectely edible for humans. flax seeds contain strong
  anti-cancer substances which aren't necessary for everyday. Anyway flax is
  so high in ALA that only small amounts are necessary unless you eat
  much omega-6 oils (safflor etc) or PUFA-poor fats like agricultural animal
  fat.

third, flax is one of the only two sources of fat in such medium cool places
 like middle europe (the other is hemp)
 in agricultural times pig fat was added and some hibernating animals in
 late autumn if you were living far from cities and lucky enough to kill one

fourth, flax has many thousands of years of proven use. That's for all   of
 the young stone age in europe. And I consider the earliest paleolithic
 usage as probable because flax seeds come in such a handy and easy to
 collect neat package when growing wild.

I'd try perilla if I once get a sample. I'll look at a asian store as you
suggested. But as I know how quickly ALA spoils I'm very sceptical
about the quality which could come from Korea. Flax grows just nearby a few
miles away.

>Im also waiting for your daily menu of aboriginal plant food diet which you
>promised me [ie the one, which despite all the testament of anthropology
>anf
>biochemistry, would provide all essential nutrients].   How long do u need?

You forgot it's your turn to meet the challenge.
See: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?A2=ind0206&L=paleofood&P=R1011
and: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?A2=ind0206&L=paleofood&P=R4353

For my turn you just need to take a look at table 1 of the AA plant food
data. Take any combination of the plant resources (acacia seeds, fruit,
tubers berries), take 2000-3000 kcal of it and see how much of RDA for
*each* nutrient you'll find. It's easy to construct a 100% plant diet out of
it. 100% I know was never reality and I don't claim it.
But 23% won't work out, not to speak of 0  .

Your answer so far was only to mention a few fat sources which in turn might
be suitable to elevate the consumption of the lean wild game meat.
Like male emus, sitting on the eggs.

This doesn't make up a 77% animal diet. Particularly for inland aboriginals,
which can't capture doungong or other water animals.

I also notice that nobody in the paleo community was able to report a
similar high intake of animal calories *from wild sources*.
And nobody will, not even for months.
Everybody, including you and Ray Audette can make it possible only by eating
the staple of all calories from farmed animal fat. Industry agriculturists.
Basically grain starch, converted to SFA stearic acid in a factory farm.

It might be possible, I know, if a eskimo would join,
or arctic explorer types like Stephansson.
But this is of course not relevant for the discussion of a paleo diet.
Humanity doesn't descend from Inuit invading the whole globe.
I looks like whole humanity descendes from east africa savannah dwelling
humanoids invading the whole globe after 120,000 YA.

So I am waiting for an answer to the 77% challenge.
Which I know I'll never get. Because it's impossible for inland aboriginals.
Emus aren't Moas. Fortunately.

Kia Ora

Amadeus