Cheap shots? partisan politics? are you for real?
I think there is much more to it than that over simplification. Its gotta to
do
with INTEGRITY.
Perhaps you are not here for personal gains, but some are,
and that Mr is the truth, and no amount of spin is going to change that.
I do my bit in the development of my country, but becoming
a turncoat and an a**-licker, I shall NEVER be and that's a guarantee.
Dave
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From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Lang Tunkara
Sent: 19 January 2002 22:09
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Article on Dibba -a reaction to Gambia-L
Neither are we surprise at those cheap shots by some members who cannot
move beyond partisan politics and worked together to make our country a
better place to live.
Some of us are not here because of any personal gains, but because we see
Gambia as our home, and are committed to see her and her people including
ourselves prosper.
Lang.
>From: Dave Manneh
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Article on Dibba -a reaction to Gambia-L
>Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:56:51 -0800
>
>Perhaps mum being a yaye-compin and been given a hajj ticket by
>Jammeh has something to do with some of us becoming turncoats,
>from a fence-sitter to a full fledge Jammeh supporter,what a shame!!God
help
>you!
>I will i have to admit though, that I was never surprised, for nothing
>people do on GambiaL surprise me one bit.
>
>Once again god help us all
>Dave
>
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>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ousman Bojang
>Sent: 19 January 2002 11:48
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Article on Dibba -a reaction to Gambia-L
>
>
>Singhateh and Tunkara,
>Very interesting. The points you all tried to make are very sound.
>Unfortunately most of us here are playing a politics of
self-righteousness
>and no matter what anyone else says, they are wrong.
>What a chat room?
>
>Ousman Jallow Bojang.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lang Tunkara
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Article on Dibba -a reaction to Gambia-L
>
>
> Mr. Singhateh,
>
> Thank you.
>
> These are some very interesting points you've made here. I wish some of
>the people on this list will come to terms with the reality, and accept
>those facts as you and i have.
>
> SM Dibba had immensely contributed to Gambia's politics. He had
>sacrifice a lot in his life for what he beleive for our dear country, and
>paid a price for those beliefs.
>
> However, the same people he fought before are the very ones re-surfacing
>and questioning his patriotism. They got badly beaten and exposed for the
>their acts that, they choose to stand on the way of anyone who is ready
to
>work for the development of the Gambia. If anyone's patriotism should be
>question, i wonder why they they turned a blind eye to those who robbed
the
>country of millions and living luxurios lives in neighboring countries
>forgetting the people they stole their fortunes from.
>
> SM Dibba is here to stay, like it or not. He stayed with us 7 years ago
>when every quilty one of them ran away and abandoned us. Lets focus on
>something important to the development of our country, rather than
attacking
>this fine, wonderful, and lovely man.
>
> Lamin.
>
>
>
> From: Ndembos Singhateh
>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Article on Dibba -a reaction to Gambia-L
> >Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:13:59 +0000
> >
> >From: [log in to unmask]
> >>To: [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] Subject: Article on Dibba
> >>-a
> >>reaction Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:11:54 EST
> >>
> >>Subj: Re: AN INTERESTING ARTICLE ON SHERIFF DIBBAS ALLIANCE WITH
> >>APRC Date:
> >>08/01/02 13:53:32 GMT Standard Time From: MSAWANAH To: Bob6772
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Momodou Lamin Sawaneh
> >>
> >>Reaction to Gambia L article.
> >>
> >>I read your article on the above subject matter but I found it
> >>difficult to
> >>understand the purpose of writing such an article. By reading the
> >>article,
> >>I could not see to which audience it is directed . It did not help
> >>me in
> >>anyway to get an understanding of why Dibba took the decision of
> >>this
> >>nature. The story is not the least articulate and much more
> >>disappointing
> >>of all is that the writer could not provide a reasonable and
> >>attainable
> >>solution to the present political dilema in Gambian politics , if
> >>any. He
> >>criticised and blamed all the parties except for PDOIS which he
> >>described
> >>as credible in one of his remarks.
> >>
> >>I think people should be reasonable when they are talking about
> >>politics in
> >>any form being national or international politics. We have to give
> >>proper
> >>historical background to situations and corroborate with the
> >>present
> >>developments and then suggest solutions which can be of value to
> >>the
> >>players on the ground. This attitude of condemning everybody and
> >>everything
> >>without providing any solution of your own does not help any
> >>Gambian no
> >>matter on what side of the coin we are. And unless there is
> >>fundamental
> >>change in attitudes we would certainly get nowhere. I found out
> >>that the
> >>people that the writer is criticising are even better than him.
> >>This is for
> >>the simple fact that those politicians have pointed out why they
> >>are taking
> >>such decisions which to some extent have been dictated by the
> >>realities on
> >>the ground.
> >>
> >>It is very clear to everyone with a sense of history that Dibba has
> >>been
> >>fighting elections in this country since 1976 when he left the PPP.
> >>There
> >>was no proper organisation that was donating any money to his party
> >>and
> >>many Gambian intellectuals who were interested in politics were
> >>joining the
> >>ruling party in order to get ministerial positions even though they
> >>new
> >>quite well that the government was corrupt. The party to some
> >>extent was
> >>being funded by few people and Dibba's personal efforts to a
> >>certain
> >>degree.
> >>
> >>Here is a man who sacrificed all kinds of jobs and pleasures that
> >>you and I
> >>would may not want to do today. He was arrested and detained in
> >>1981 for
> >>almost 9 months for a crime he never committed until he lost his
> >>seat in
> >>Central Baddibou. Many of his supporters were dragged from
> >>Baddibous and
> >>Bakau to various detention camps with the intention of killing his
> >>party
> >>and to demoralise and discredit him as a political figure. A lot of
> >>innocent peole died in those detention camps. Despite all that
> >>mental and
> >>physical torture, he made a comeback and regained his seat in 1992.
> >>
> >>There is no Gambian politician who has been detained for his
> >>political
> >>beliefs to the extent of Dibba, there is no Gambian politician who
> >>had
> >>suffered defeats in the polls than Dibba and there is no Gambian
> >>politician
> >>who sacrificed anything for political opposition than Dibba and yet
> >>this is
> >>the man that the new opposition parties or writers are saying
> >>didnot
> >>sacrifice enough. What do they want him to do?
> >>
> >>
> >>We all agree that there is no violent solution to The Gambian
> >>political
> >>question. If Dibba realised that earlier than you and I , and
> >>decided to
> >>wait for the real democratic process to come and go back to the
> >>Gambian
> >>people to seek their mandate, why should we think that he is wrong
> >>in doing
> >>that. If the decrees were not meant to be obeyed, why did n't we
> >>ask Jawara
> >>to go back home and contest the 1996 elections. He and other
> >>politicians
> >>had the opportunity to defy the decrees and return home.They would
> >>have
> >>sacrificed their lives and be called national heroes by now.
> >>
> >>Why did they wait for the political amnesty before they could not
> >>return
> >>home as private individuals? Why did the Gambians go to the polls
> >>even
> >>though the government that organised the elections was described as
> >>illegitimate? Above all why did the Gambian people respect the
> >>verdict of
> >>the polls in both 1996 and 2001? Why didn't every Gambian boycott
> >>the
> >>elections in 1996 for the reason that decrees were still in place?
> >>
> >>It is sad to mention but most of us who are meant to comprehend
> >>what
> >>democracy is all about are the people who unfortunately are more
> >>confused
> >>about democratic process.
> >>
> >>The 2001 polls were free and fair and the Gambian people who went
> >>to the
> >>polls decided to renew their confidence in Jammeh government. They
> >>have
> >>their own reasons for giving him the mandate to govern them for
> >>another
> >>five years and by respecting the verdict of over 52% of the
> >>electorates is
> >>what democracy is all about and not about writing high sounding
> >>phrases
> >>about the people and the political players. It is quite difficult
> >>to be
> >>realistic when you are defeated at the polls by such magnitude but
> >>unless
> >>we accept realities at the right time, this small nation will go
> >>nowhere in
> >>terms of development.
> >>
> >>Even though Yaya has lot of problems particularly in the area of
> >>human
> >>rights, nobody has the right to tell the Gambian people that they
> >>have
> >>voted for the wrong person and they should take other measures to
> >>reverse
> >>their decision. Are we advocating that all Gambians should keep
> >>away from
> >>anything to do with the government whether developmental or
> >>otherwise and
> >>let Yaya and his supporters do it? If the answer is yes, then we
> >>are all
> >>narrow minded.
> >>
> >>The governpment is not Yaya government but a government that
> >>represents all
> >>Gambian people and for that reason whoever feels that despite his
> >>or her
> >>political beliefs, would want to participate in the development
> >>process of
> >>the country, should only be encouraged. The government is not
> >>anybody's
> >>personal property and it should never be seen be allowed to be seen
> >>to be
> >>that. If it clear that this is the attitude that Yaya has , we
> >>deserve the
> >>right to tell him that he is wrong and suggest tangible solutions
> >>to him.
> >>You can still be participating in the government and bring about
> >>positive
> >>changes. The case of Abdoulaye Wade and Co is too recent to forget.
> >>He
> >>served in the government of Joof so many times as a cabinet
> >>minister to
> >>contribute his bit in the national development process and this
> >>also
> >>enabled him to gain the most needed administrative experience. But
> >>this did
> >>not prevent him from contesting and winning the election when the
> >>people
> >>who matter wanted him to rule them instead of Joof.
> >>
> >>We can make our country a better place if we should learn how to go
> >>by the
> >>verdict of the people as dictated by the basic tenents of democracy
> >>we are
> >>preaching. It is our responsibility to join hands with whoever is
> >>in power
> >>to develop our country , if we are given the opportunity to so. I
> >>do not
> >>therefore see the need to discourage Dibba to participate in a
> >>government
> >>of his country if the authorities need him. He can only be
> >>encouraged.
> >>
> >>The country belongs to all of us and it requires the input of
> >>everyone.We
> >>should be around and within to tell Yaya what is wrong and what is
> >>correct.
> >>It is not a law in politics that you should always fight to gain
> >>power from
> >>outside. You can also participate meaningfully in the developement
> >>process
> >>of your country from within. Lenin (the great Russian leader) told
> >>us that
> >>if you cannot defeat them, join them. If you start a journey and
> >>the
> >>realities show you that you cannot complete it, the basic common
> >>sense will
> >>tell you that you should return to where you started.
> >>
> >>Yaya needs to be assisted by enlightened and experienced
> >>individuals and he
> >>needs to be told the truth at all times. He should not be left to
> >>be
> >>surrounded by individuals who would only tell him what he wants to
> >>hear.
> >>His pledge for reconciliation and forgiveness is probably a step in
> >>this
> >>direction. He probably wants the much needed people around to help
> >>the
> >>country achieve its target in terms of economic growth and
> >>political
> >>evolution.
> >>
> >>There is nothing that prevents us from maintaining our parties and
> >>still
> >>giving helping hand to the government . Any improvement in the
> >>Gambia in
> >>terms of the economy will go into uplifting the living standards of
> >>the
> >>ordinary poor. This is a joint responsibility and history will hold
> >>responsible if we should turn a blind eye to it for the fact that
> >>we hate
> >>the system. The issue of poverty alleviation and rural development
> >>is not a
> >>concept that came with Yaya and it would continue to be so even
> >>after him.
> >>
> >>Let us be assessing ourselves as to the contribution we are making
> >>to move
> >>our country forward. Even if you are in opposition, what
> >>contributions are
> >>you making to sustain the party you support. It is sad that most of
> >>us who
> >>write big essays in the net are doing nothing practically to
> >>support even
> >>the party we tend to sympathise with. This does not help.
> >
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