Sidebeh,

Please do us a favour and Ignor KB,some of us are enjoying reading you.His
chest pounding infantile behavour is no interesting political substance.The 30
years of the brutal political oppression and economic mismanagement of the PPP
regime is not a history invented but the activity of life human beings.KB is
part of those who made this  dirty history of our dear Country, that he is
said to be Kebba Jallow,is enough to draw the lines,there is a dialectical
developement of every objective political and economic situation,this simple
political understanding needs no big interlectual head to understand.

For Freedom
Saiks




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>Sidibeh, you make me laugh. I did NOT know you were this terrified of me.
>Get a grip, boy. I will NOT do anything to you; BUT make you accountable for
>your utterances on G_L. Reread my posting to you yesterday that is making
>you so worked up. It only attacked what you wrote on G_L. I do NOT care who
>you are or where you are from. Makes no difference to me. I do NOT know you
>and NEVER heard of you before I came to G_L. Since you decided to run with
>your tail in between your legs this time, I will let you go. Keep having
>nightmares that you are dealing with a knight in shining armor (steel mask).
>I CANNOT do anything about that your predicament. But as I told you, you
>start obsessing about PPP and lying about Gambian history, I will be on your
>back like an ‘overbearing tortoise’ (whatever that means). I wonder what
>makes you think that whining about me will free you from me and give you
>license to tell lies on G_L.
>
>You are so funny. Frankly, I NEVER thought I was this scary to remind you
>about a ‘vulgar cartoon on MTV’ with all the gory details you gave us. You
>should stop watching those kids’ shows and get your act together. I will
>ignore your other comments for now and deal with you again when you sober
>up.
>KB
>
>
>>From: Momodou S Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
>>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:54:05 +0100
>>
>>Kebba "Daafa" Dampha!!
>>
>>In a vulgar cartoon on MTV, Celebrity Deathmatch, Marilyn Manson carries a
>>whizzing chainsaw and slices off Madonna's neck. Your behaviour on this
>>list reminds me of that sort of customized bloodletting!! Once again, Kukoi
>>and his men were a horrendous nigthmare! and MOJA had written in detail
>>about that elsewhere, many times!!! So, you have a Senegalese friend who's
>>gone mad because of what happened to him in Gambia? That is just too
>>unfortunate.
>>It also happened that when the lifeless body of one of our best musiscians,
>>Pa Njai 'Base' of the IfangBondi was driven into the depot, I was there.
>>Half his skull had been blown away by a Senegalese soldier! A small group
>>of armed Gambian field force mad at the sight of Pa Njai's dripping brains,
>>rushed out three Senegalese soldiers they had captured in battle, lined
>>them against a wall and cocked their weapons for a summary execution, right
>>on the spot! Kukoi immediately intervened and saved their lives.
>>
>>Instead of seriously pondering over what went wrong with your nonsensical
>>predictions about "Jammeh is Finished", I see that you are still
>>ridiculously hanging on to your UDP/PPP warlordism. No, you cannot get me
>>into debating with you this cheaply. If that is what you want, you will
>>have to prove you are not a severe coward, tirelessly billowing so much
>>gushing prattle on Gambia-L.
>>
>>You will have to go through a Bessemer Process ( a steel bath -  Swedes
>>call it), get laundered and perfumed, and shed  that heavy and overbearing
>>tortoise shell of yours. Earlier on we called this list a Bantaba; and no
>>one goes to the Bantaba wearing a heavy steel mask My name is Momodou
>>Sidibeh and I am from Kartong. Wha's yours and where are you from? Tell me,
>>and we can then talk the talk! Otherwise, as far as you are concerned, I'm
>>gone!
>>
>>Momodou S Sidibeh,
>>Stockholm/Kartong.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dampha Kebba" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:35 PM
>>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
>>
>>
>> > Karamba, thanks for your astute observations and pointing out the sloppy
>>job
>> > Sidibeh did in trying to rewrite Gambian history; yet he is the first
>>person
>> > to accuse people of doing just that. I mean, how can anybody profess to
>>be
>> > giving an unbiased account about Gambian history surrounding the events
>>of
>> > the 1981 and not point out the despicable and irresponsible behavior of
>> > criminals like Kukoi Samba Sanyang that sought to ILLEGALLY overthrow a
>> > democratically elected government? Should Sidibeh be taken seriously? Do
>>I
>> > detect someone who is so obsessed with PPP that his view about Gambian
>> > history is clouded?
>> >
>> > It is good that some put Sidibeh's thesis in perspective. No matter what
>> > reservations people had against the Jawara regime of 1981, Gambia was an
>> > independent nation with laws. Those laws said that if someone wanted to
>> > overthrow the government, they had to do so through the ballot box. Does
>> > anyone have the right to think that because most Gambians cannot read or
>> > write English, real Democracy cannot thrive in the country and therefore
>>it
>> > is justifiable for a bunch of thugs to overthrow the government through
>>the
>> > use of force? This argument is ludicrous. Who told Sidibeh that
>>Democracy
>> > can only be implemented through the medium of English? It is this type
>>of
>> > condescension I cannot stand from these people that think they know
>>better
>> > than the Gambian folks and they need to teach and empower people. People
>>do
>> > NOT have to go to school to know who to vote for. By the same token,
>> > education in English does NOT guarantee that people are going to make
>>sound
>> > decisions at polling booths. People like Sidibeh's comrade (Sarjo
>>Jallow)
>> > have all the education Gambia can offer. They still vote for child
>>murderers
>> > and thieves to stay in office. How did Jallow's 'education' help him to
>>fare
>> > better than say the poor farmer in URD that LIVES the plight of farmers
>>in
>> > the country and decided to vote for the Opposition? What 'education'
>>does
>> > for the vermin back home, is to give them jargon to rationalize murder
>>and
>> > mayhem. Their 'education' help them to bamboozle gullible Gambians to
>>think
>> > that it is better to stand child murderers than vote Darboe in because
>> > Darboe 'might' bring back the PPP folks.
>> >
>> > Darn right we will NOT sit idle and allow Sidibeh to portray the bandits
>> > that partook in the 1981 rebellion as some patriots 'saving' our country
>> > from foreign invaders. Talk about rewriting history. The man would
>>rather
>> > give space to some ridiculous rumor about Ebou Taal than address the
>>roles
>> > of criminals like Kukoi Sanneh and Pap Cheyassin Secka and Simon Talibo
>> > Sanneh. What is wrong with this man? Did Sidibeh care about the numerous
>> > Senegalese citizens that lost their lives trying to save Gambian lives?
>> > NOTHING about that in his postings. To this day I have a Senegalese
>>friend
>> > that is mentally ill from the trauma these poor soldiers faced fighting
>>an
>> > indiscipline bunch of bandits that did NOT respect the rules of the
>> > battle-field. This is simply sick. What responsible revolutionary would
>>free
>> > (criminals) prisoners and give them arms and ammunition and unleash them
>> > unto innocent citizens? Kukoi and his gang of bandits were committing a
>> > crime (trying to illegally overthrow the government of the day). The
>>then
>> > president exercised his constitutionally mandated duty to invite a
>>friendly
>> > country (since we did not have an army then) to stop the crime. Now
>>Sidibeh
>> > wants history to record that the criminals that brought anarchy to the
>> > country are patriots fighting foreign invaders? And when you asked him
>>about
>> > his gaps the man arrogantly told you that the matter was dealt with in
>>some
>> > publication in 1994. A lot of the things he said in his piece are NOT
>>news.
>> > They have been dealt with before. Yet he felt the need to talk about
>>them
>> > now. I guess it is OK when the matter is unfavorable to PPP. But when it
>> > comes to pointing out the crimes that were committed against PPP,
>>Sidibeh
>> > will conveniently ignore those.
>> >
>> > Finally Karamba, I am glad that you made it abundantly clear (at least
>>to
>> > me) that despite that you are a staunch UDP supporter and you supported
>>the
>> > Alliance, you by no means condone some of the bad things that PPP did in
>>the
>> > past and you were at no time advocating that PPP vices should return if
>> > Darboe were to be elected by the Gambian electorate. This is the point
>>we
>> > tried to drum into the heads of people like Sidibeh, but they simply
>>would
>> > NOT get it. We are NOT PPP apologists. Having said that, we will NOT sit
>>by
>> > and allow people to lie about PPP and in effect portray Yaya as a
>>'savior'.
>> > By the same token, we will vehemently protest if people dubiously try to
>> > portray Darboe as a stooge. Thanks again for your contributions. God
>>help us
>> > from the 'educated Gambian'.
>> > KB
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: [log in to unmask]
>> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> > ><[log in to unmask]>
>> > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> > >Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
>> > >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:50:53 EST
>> > >
>> > >Mr Sidibeh,
>> > >                  Thank you very much for a very well written
>> > >retrospective. I
>> > >am especially impressed with your sequencing of events and your
>>perspective
>> > >of an organization you seem to demonstrably understand and care about.
>> > >While
>> > >ideologically I am on the opposite side of the spectrum relative to
>>Moja ,
>> > >I
>> > >believe your absence from the body politik from the time of your
>>inception
>> > >has diminished our overall democratic experience.Gambia like any
>>society
>> > >looking to positively forge ahead has to have it's full compliment of
>>ideas
>> > >and participants actively involved in the crucial business of improving
>>our
>> > >society and the lives it's people. I was also struck by the very candid
>> > >reasons you advance for the current near comatose state of Moja. You
>> > >justifiably apportioned significant blame on the Jawara regimes
>> > >heavy-handedness and also lethargic leadership from within MOJA. In a
>> > >strange
>> > >way, both of these reasons point  to what I call a destructive
>>propensity
>> > >for
>> > >self preservation deeply embedded in the Gambian psyche. Sending field
>> > >forces
>> > >to arrest seemingly innocent people espousing new and different ideas
>>was
>> > >the
>> > >flawed response of a regime that was much more interested in preserving
>> > >itself than fairly contesting ideas. Similarly the expedient judgment
>>of
>> > >some
>> > >of your colleagues to jump into Yahya Jammeh's bandwagon under the
>>spurious
>> > >pretext that it was a credible revolution point to the same selfish
>>streak
>> > >lurking in the hearts of many a Gambian.There is simply nothing some
>>people
>> > >would not do to meet selfish ends. In the process good people and good
>> > >ideas
>> > >become casualties.
>> > >     I did find two phrases troubling. You said MOJA did not support
>>the
>> > >Kukoi
>> > >coup  but it's members went ahead and armed themselvesf to defend the
>> > >country
>> > >from invading Senegalese soldiers sustaining casualties in the process.
>>I
>> > >can
>> > >understand on grounds of nationalism for Moja to characterise the
>> > >Senegalese
>> > >as invaders and thus the need to attempt a defense. What troubles me is
>>the
>> > >fact  that you attribute none of the   violence that was precitipated
>>by
>> > >looting and the general breakdown of law and order to Kukoi and the
>> > >coupists.
>> > >I do not think Kukoi would  strike you as being a responsible
>>revolutionary
>> > >whose rhetoric or methods was a prelude to anything but anarchy.
>>Similarly
>> > >you stated that Moja opposed the Jammeh coup in principle but decided
>>to
>> > >offer critical support.Since you did  not elaborate on what that means
>>,
>> > >I'd
>> > >like to ask for a clarification.Did you mean you supported the coup
>>just as
>> > >a
>> > >tansitionary episode? Do you still support the APRC regime?
>> > >  I look forward to your response
>> > >Thanks
>> > >Karamba
>> > >
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