Yeah, sounds a lot alike.  The guy you were remebering was Oral Roberts.  He
said that God was gonna zap him if'n he didn't come up with "x" dollars by
"y" date.  He's lucky I'm not God, 'cause I would have zapped his ass right
then and there---would have saved time AND money!  <g>

Brother Kyle

"I like bisquits 'n mustard" --Billy Bob Thornton (Sling Blade)

-----Original Message-----
From: Barber, Kenneth L. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:40 AM
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Subject: Re: Stress relief


well at our church we do not pass a plate, or a hat or anything else. we
have a offering box at the back of the church. our pastor says if you want
to give you'll give and if you are would begrudge the offering "do not
give." that is even for members. can't give cheerfully, we don't want it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Cleveland, Kyle E. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:17 AM
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Subject: Re: Stress relief


Hey Ken, you were talking about $$$ and evangelists a few posts back.
Wanted to pass along that where Laura and I attend, they make a big deal of
telling visitors to let the hat pass by.  They state every service, "If you
are just visiting, we don't want your money."  We've gotten a lot of
positive responses from visitors.  The church leadership is limited to about
$45K/yr salary, whether they are a lay-person or are employed by the church
(this group includes an MD and a dentist!).  I think they have their
priorities in order.  On the other hand,  there's a mega-church in town
(World Harvest Church), run by a guy named Rod Parsley, that refuses to
disclose their financial statements--even to their own membership!.

Trouble is, that's the image most Americans have of modern Christianity.
Can't blame 'em for being turned off by Goobers like this David Ring.

-----Original Message-----
From: Barber, Kenneth L. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 8:33 AM
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Subject: Re: Stress relief


good one kyle.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cleveland, Kyle E. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:44 AM
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Subject: Stress relief


 Subject:  manage your stress

 STRESS MANAGEMENT

Here is a stress management technique recommended in all the latest
psychological texts.

Picture yourself near a stream. Birds are softly chirping in the
crisp,
cool, mountain air. No one knows your secret place. You are in total
seclusion from that hectic place called "the world."

The soothing sound of a gentle waterfall fills the air with a cascade
of
serenity. The water is clear. Really clear.... so clear you can easily
make
out the face
of the person you're holding under the water...

There now... feeling better?