I missed all of the exchanges that transpired before Buharry's response and
going to the archives is a big chore for I would have liked to be able to
click on a date to read what had happened. At any rate, reading further
below has given me a slight understanding and here are my two cents as a
subscriber - hauling insults at others to make a point is an exercise by
those lacking in vocabulary. However, I will call an idiot an idiot for an
idiotic act which is there for all to see! I would not want to get
un-subscribed because I called a spade a spade. This, I believe, can be
done in a matter-of-fact and respectful manner.
I would like to join Joe and Buharry in appealing for calm and cool heads to
prevail until the management sorts out this latest fracas. I would hate to
see those who were de-listed and those who are doing it voluntarily gone.
Honestly, that would definitely change the L for me. By the same token, I
would hate to read belligerence and insults in mails on a daily basis - a
big turn-off. There is so much that is right with this Bantaba that we can
build upon. Let us not, again, resort to razing a building to the ground
only to start a foundation of the same when we can build up on what we have.
Thanks,
Soffie
-----Original Message-----
From: MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:49 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I am Delisting myself in protest
Hi Joe!
I just sent a piece which basically reflects what
you said and then got your mail. We are in sync here and I hope reason
prevails. Thanks for your insight.
Buharry.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: I am Delisting myself in protest
> List members (silent and vocal), I am appealing to you'll
to put a
> moratorium on delisting individuals until we come to an
agreement or
> understanding on how to proceed with normal operations on
the L. Can you
> kindly reinstate the individuals affected and we all
engage in a more
> productive discussion to put this behind us. I understand
this whole mass
> management delisting and voluntary delisting by
individuals came about
> because of a commentary by Dave Manneh, which Mboge
seconded, etc. I do not
> think divorcing oneself voluntarily or otherwise from the
forum is the
> answer to this problem, nor do I think that starting
another bantaba is the
> answer. Let us calm down and reason out the issues to an
understanding.
> Once again, please reinstate the people in question and I
also appeal to
> those that voluntarily delisted to reconsider their
decision and come back
> to the table. Remember, the struggle of our people is
bigger than each an
> every one of us. Going our separate ways does nothing but
hurt the very
> cause that we fought for so long - forging a better Gambia
for all. I
> patiently await your cooperation in this request.
>
> Chi Jaama
>
> Joe Sambou
>
>
> >From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: I am Delisting myself in protest
> >Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:29:15 -0400
> >
> >Jaiteh, please give us a break with these crocodile
tears. Let us grant to
> >you that we need a code of conduct (which I doubt);
explain to us why you
> >'delisted' Mboge summarily without 'delisting' people
that used the
> >'a-word'? Don't pretend to be better than people that use
language you
> >would
> >not use in your daily affairs or at the Bantaba in
Baddibu. Hypocrites do
> >NOT have the moral high-ground over straight-shooters, in
my book. Your
> >actions are indefensible. Tell us all the offensive
words. Is the threat of
> >violence acceptable to you in your daily affairs? Do you
know that it is a
> >crime to threaten people with violence like you
threatened me the other
> >day?
> >I warned you before that if you embark on this slippery
slope of
> >censorship,
> >you can NEVER tell where it will land you. You can get
'delisted', among
> >other things.
> >KB
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >><[log in to unmask]>
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: I am Delisting myself in protest
> >>Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:05:55 -0400
> >>
> >>Karamba,
> >>It is sad to learn that you are delisting from the L if
the Management
> >>does
> >>not adopt a No-DELISTING policy. I must say I am one of
your few admirers
> >>on
> >>this list, not only for your intellect but for your
ability to make your
> >>point with respect and dignity. I think you will surely
be missed if you
> >>deside to leave.
> >>
> >>Karamba, I repect your point on free speech and your
desire that we do not
> >>regulate it. Nevertheless, I do not subscribe to the
notion of letting
> >>people say what they want in any manner they choose
including insults and
> >>rants. In my few years of existence in this world I know
no society or
> >>community without rules of conduct. I believe that any
gathering must set
> >>standard that all must work to achieve or keep. And
Gambia-l should be no
> >>exception.
> >>Form the societies we come from (our families, ethnic
groups and Gambia)
> >>to
> >>the ones we live in there
> >>are regulations. I do not know any group of people who
call themselves
> >>civilized, mature and intellect who when they meet say
whatever they wish
> >>to
> >>whoever they want.
> >>
> >>So it pains me to see seemingly great Gambian minds
(over 500 of them)
> >>coming together and just to haul any thing that they can
pick in the name
> >>of
> >>free speech. Where is calling each other names and all
adjectives take us
> >>as
> >>a people discussing our future?
> >>
> >>As I said, I respect your views but I do not agree. I
have explained my
> >>action (removing Modou Olly-Mboge) to the management
team and when I hear
> >>from them I will let the entire list know why I did what
I did.
> >>
> >>Have a good day and I ask you to reconsider your
decision.
> >>
> >>Malanding Jaiteh
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:35 AM
> >>Subject: I am Delisting myself in protest
> >>
> >>
> >> > I am voluntarily Delisting myself from Gambia-L to
protest the
> >>management's
> >> > penchant to regulate the speech of people especially
those perceived to
> >>be
> >> > offensive. Unless the list adopts an outright policy
of NEVER delisting
> >>any
> >> > member for ANY reason, I am not interested in
participating. It is
> >>absolutely
> >> > foolish to attempt to regulate speech and I want no
part of it. Let
> >>people
> >> > say what they want in any manner they choose
including insults and
> >>rants.
> >>It
> >> > is an acceptable hazard of freedom of speech. We have
been through this
> >> > never-ending cycle of absurd attempts at behavior
control that has and
> >>will
> >> > never work. Let members be what they choose to be as
free people.
> >> > Karamba Touray
> >> >
> >> >
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