WHen eating raw. I think it best to eat the bigger game fish. Less parasites
and fattier composition. yum Toro Toro

-Eric

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From: matesz [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:21 AM
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Subject: Re: Cordain/Sardines


Jim Walsh posted this:
>>Fresh sardines are rather rare locally and most (if not all) fresh
salmon (available locally) is farmed. Are all the "fish benefits" lost by
farming and canning? Which is better, farmed-fresh or canned? What evidence
exists to support the claims?

My reply:
You mention only two types of fish; there are hundreds.  I have not problem
finding wild fresh and frozen fish.  I frequent a top notch seafood shop in
Toledo, Ohio: Rohr Seafood.  The manager (who has a degree in
ictheology---study of marine life), who knows I want wild fish and directs
me to those; he orders in wild fish that I want and introduces me to new
varieties.  I know him well, teach seafood classes with him....  Examples of
some of my favorite wild fish include Artic Char (a relative of salmon, from
the trout family), Chilean Sea Bass, Tuna, Scrod (baby cod).  There are many
other kinds you can buy wild. I get some wild salmon as well.

From the supermarket I only buy fish that is frozen (at sea).  I've had too
many smelly and off tasting batches of fish from the supermarkets here,
which buy (older, less fresh) fish from our local seafood shop, or have
inexperienced workers who say the salmon is wild when it is not.  In
supermarkets I buy frozen deep sea dory, blue hake, cod, and chilean sea
bass fillets.  The first two are the least expensive, and low in fat.  There
are others.

Canning leads to greater nutrient losses than freezing.  There is not need
to run double blind studies for this!  Fresh fish is more flavorful and
nutritious than canned.  Try it for yourself.  The fresh fish doesn't taste
tinny like the can.  What Cordain says in his book is that if you buy canned
fish, buy it packed in water without salt---not hard to do.  You may need to
go to a health food store or join a co op buying club if you want to avoid
hydrolyzed vegetable protein or broth (added to most supermarket brands),
which can contain MSG.  If you are after the most nutrients, fresh is best!

You said:
>>These are the kind of questions I (we?) need answered. There is simply
no point in Cordain asserting that canned fish is not as good as fresh
fish if he has no evidence to back up the claim with science. (I haven't
seen his book yet - perhaps he does back it up?)

My Reply:
You need to buy his book.  He has 20 PAGES of references.  If you think he
doesn't explain this, you need to read his book because he explains a lot.
His is not a technical book, that would be over the heads of most people.
It is readable and backed with refs.  Read it!

You said:
>>My understanding is that Cordain use to participate in this list. Is
that so? Is he still here? Perhaps he could fill in the gaps for us?

I doubt he has time for a list like this.  He participated in the scientific
paleo list, which is not the same as this list.  You can read more of his
technical articles on line.  Also, check the Jan/Feb issue of Alternative
Medicine for an article about his book.

Rachel