Elhajj, thanks for your response.  I did not discuss how long you have been
a member of the L, but rather how long you knew or participated in
discussions of the Ebou Jallow saga.  This is what I said, "A year or so ago
(on GL/Voice Out) you came in his defense when I took him on and I just
ignored your comments.  You knew of this issue at least a year ago, if not
more".  I also do not have a problem with whom you associate with and
certainly you have are right to believe anything.  Now that we reached an
understanding (atleast we know where each stand) I'm moving on.  Thanks for
the healthy exchange.

Chi Jama

Joe Sambou


>From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises to President Jammeh
>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:34:55 +0100
>
>Joe & Yus,
>You have totally misunderstood my position to say that i am defending Ebou
>in
>this issue. How many times have i mentioned that i am not defending Ebou?
>But
>still both you and Yus are accusing me of defending him. I have said that i
>knew
>about the Ebou Jallow issue when i joined the L, but both of you are saying
>that
>i knew the issue before i join the L. How can you prove it ? Were you
>getting
>contacts with me or do you know anybody who was getting contacts with me?
>You
>have now started proving your dishonesty on the L to me. I joined the L
>about
>two years ago, but i could not remember the exact time. I really don`t have
>time
>now to go into the archives, but i would be very grateful, if you can
>forward my
>first contribution date on the L. I have agreed with all of you that Ebou
>owe us
>explainations, and i have said that i am not defending him, but still this
>does
>not satisfy you. Your problem is that i should not sympathize with him, be
>rest
>assured that none in this planet can change this inside my heart. It is my
>full
>right to sympathize with him, and i will continue to do so. Call me
>whatever you
>want!
>Regarding the thieves in our country, I was totally satisfied with the
>honest
>Matarr Sallah who had said the truth. We should be honest to ourselves to
>know
>that
>Justice is not only a result. It is a process, and all criminals should
>undergo
>through the process, without exceptions. So, if we only see Ebou, Jammeh &
>others as the only thieves in our country, then this proves our dishonesty
>at
>the highest level. What about our previous looters? Are they not to be held
>accountable? Gentlemen, let us judge all criminals equally. As you rightly
>said
>" a thief, is a thief and a thief "
>I have no doubt that my stance in the Ebou Jallow issue is very unpopular,
>but i
>hope it would be respected. You people are yet to prove me as liar. So you
>better do some more home work, with honesty.
>
>Elhajj
>
>Pls.BroYus, kindly drop the Islam discussion in this issue. You have the
>right
>to believe what you want to believe. I have nothing against that.
>
>Joe Sambou skrev:
>
> > Elhajj, thanks for the confidence you bestowed in me.  If I have a third
> > party corroboration such as the Swiss Bank etc., I will name any guilty
> > Gambian.  I am not afraid to name anyone and I do not differentiate
>thieves.
> >   A thief, is a thief, and a thief.  I can confidently call Jammeh a
>thief
> > because he was named in the Ebou Jallow saga.  All I need from you is to
> > point me to evidence such as court transcripts and you will see what I
>can
> > do with it, and I do not care if my best friend is the accused.  I grew
>up
> > with Ebou Jallow's brother, Poll, but that is no reason for me to keep
> > quiet.  Sir, the amount of energy you put forth defending Ebou, why
>don't
> > you use the same vigor and assist me in identifying the people you have
>in
> > mind.  I also care less, what friends of thieves think of me.  It is our
> > duty as a Gambians to speak out on anyone that was caught stealing from
>our
> > people.  I am not forcing you to do anything.  You brought this issue up
>in
> > your defence of Ebou Jallow, therefore, it is incumbent on you to speak
>your
> > mind.  If you insist that you are afraid to call out the big thieves,
>then
> > I'll take your word for it.  So, if you are not willing to call on other
> > thieves that you know off, why don't you leave us with the calling and
>stop
> > delaying progress.  Elhajj, this is not the first time you jumped in
>defence
> > of Ebou Jallow.  A year or so ago (on GL/Voice Out) you came in his
>defense
> > when I took him on and I just ignored your comments.  You knew of this
>issue
> > at least a year ago, if not more.  I respect your right to stick your
>neck
> > out for your friend, but you also cannot muzzle me on the process.
>Please
> > check with your friend, Ebou, he has all the court transcripts.  Elhajj,
> > always count on me to call it like it is.  Let me know your thoughts.
> >
> > Chi Jaama
> >
> > Joe Sambou
> >
> > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises to President Jammeh
> > >Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:57:07 +0100
> > >
> > >Moses,
> > >If I am the only Gambian in this forum who know our thieves, then let
>us
> > >all
> > >assume that Ebou and the present regime are the only thieves. You
>people
> > >want me
> > >to answer a question that I will NEVER answer. Don`t you know that
>people
> > >don`t
> > >name or point fingers on our big thieves in the Gambia. Where are you
>in
> > >this
> > >world?
> > >If you name or point a finger on our big thieves,  his / her praise
>singers
> > >will
> > >labell you a jealous or a grudge person. Those people are untouchable!
>All
> > >those
> > >thieves ever convicted are small thieves who took the hundreds or the
> > >thousands,
> > >but the ones who took the millions are the blessed thieves, and they
>are
> > >still
> > >going about with their businesses. By the way, are you not a brother to
> > >Paul
> > >Sarr, who playing together with Joe in Young Africans football team ? I
> > >know you
> > >are not among Remi and Manuell`s brothers at Leman St. So if you are
>Paul`s
> > >brother, you also know the thieves better than me. Maybe Joe can help
>you
> > >name
> > >the thieves.
> > >
> > >Elhajj.
> > >
> > >Moses Sarr skrev:
> > >
> > > > Elhajj,
> > > >
> > > > For God sake, name those people and then see what the reactions are
> > >going to
> > > > be in Gambia-L. Just give the names of the thieves you are talking
> > > > about....oh my God.
> > > >
> > > > Mose
> > > >
> > > > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > >Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises to President Jammeh
> > > > >Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:14:08 +0100
> > > > >
> > > > >Dave,
> > > > >You are right! It is the duty of every Gambian to attack our
>thieves.
> > >But
> > > > >be rest assured, that there
> > > > >are people who has stolen more than Ebou Jallow, and they are among
>the
> > > > >worst crooks on this planet.
> > > > >
> > > > >Elhajj
> > > > >
> > > > >You really got me! I have just eaten my couscous taking some pause
>to
> > >make
> > > > >my
> > > > >" Tarawih  prayer "
> > > > >
> > > > >Dave Manneh skrev:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Elhaji Fye,
> > > > > >         I fully agree with all what you said. " A thief is just
>a
> > >thief
> > > > >". In my opinion,
> > > > > > all thieves should be treated the same way. Some people has
>taken
> > >more
> > > > >than what
> > > > > > Ebou has taken, and we want to put a blind eye on them. I want
>to
> > >see
> > > > >them
> > > > > > attacked in any Gambian gathering, just as Ebou Jallow is being
> > > > >attacked. I made
> > > > > > it clear that Ebou owe us explainations, and i am not defending
>his
> > > > >action,  but i
> > > > > > cannot digest that he is the only thief who owe us
>explainations.
> > >What
> > > > >about the
> > > > > > others ?
> > > > > >         If you know who those folks are, what is stopping you
>from
> > > > >naming and shaming them.
> > > > > > It is equally your duty to the Gambian people to name those
>"bigger
> > > > >thieves" surely.
> > > > > > There is no bigger thief than Ebou, the guy is a creep, and he
>knows
> > >it
> > > > >too.
> > > > > > I told him two yrs ago that anytime he comes here with his shit,
> > >there
> > > > >will be
> > > > > > people who will be more than willing to shove it where it comes
> > >from,
> > > > >which is his poo hole.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let Ebou give us a freaking break, oK??
> > > > > > Enjoy your Iftar, if you haven't already eaten
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > > >[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Elhajj Mustapha Fye
> > > > > > Sent: 24 November 2001 09:03
> > > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises to President
>Jammeh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jabou,
> > > > > > I fully agree with all what you said. " A thief is just a thief
>".
> > >In my
> > > > >opinion,
> > > > > > all thieves should be treated the same way. Some people has
>taken
> > >more
> > > > >than what
> > > > > > Ebou has taken, and we want to put a blind eye on them. I want
>to
> > >see
> > > > >them
> > > > > > attacked in any Gambian gathering, just as Ebou Jallow is being
> > > > >attacked. I made
> > > > > > it clear that Ebou owe us explainations, and i am not defending
>his
> > > > >action,  but i
> > > > > > cannot digest that he is the only thief who owe us
>explainations.
> > >What
> > > > >about the
> > > > > > others ?
> > > > > > Jabou, you know that Ebou did not give me a penny on this
>amount. I
> > > > >repeatedly
> > > > > > said that i sympathize with Ebou, because of the antagonisms he
> > >faces
> > > > >within the
> > > > > > Gambian community.  But let people understand that, one can only
> > > > >sympathize with a
> > > > > > friend / relative / whatever / when they face difficulties, but
>you
> > > > >cannot change
> > > > > > the process of the truth. The truth will always be the truth!  I
> > >hope my
> > > > >fellow
> > > > > > G-Lers  will understand my positon not to misjudge me. Frankly,
>I
> > >did
> > > > >not regret
> > > > > > joining the L, because i met with old friends, met with new
>friends
> > >and
> > > > >usually
> > > > > > get a lot of fun here. So, I highly appreciate this gathering,
>and
> > >also
> > > > >respect
> > > > > > their views on our debates. It is not always that we will see
>eye to
> > >eye
> > > > >on
> > > > > > issues, but it does make us to be enemies. Let us just disagree
>with
> > > > >respect, not
> > > > > > to creat enemity between us.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Happy Ramadan
> > > > > > Elhajj.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jabou Joh skrev:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Elhadj,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hope you are being sarcastic, because whether it was taken
>as
> > >Ebou
> > > > >did or
> > > > > > > taken in secret as other did, it all amounts to the same
>thing,
> > >and as
> > > > >far as
> > > > > > > I am concerned, they are all thieves, whether they took it
>during
> > >the
> > > > >Jawara
> > > > > > > Era or now in various forms. A thief is a thief, and no amount
>of
> > > > >smoothing
> > > > > > > over can ever change that. If one takes what does not belong
>to
> > >them,
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > worse still, if what they took was entrusted to them on behalf
>of
> > >the
> > > > >people,
> > > > > > >  or by the people it puts them into a category that no decent
> > >person
> > > > >wants to
> > > > > > > belong to.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, mentioning the thievery practiced by our government
>officials
> > > > >past and
> > > > > > > present very much belongs on Gambia-L, and why?
> > > > > > > Because this is a gathering of Gambians, and if such talk does
>not
> > > > >belong
> > > > > > > here, then where in heaven's name does it belong then, in the
> > >closet?
> > > > >We have
> > > > > > > done too much of that, always trying to hush hush the misdeeds
>of
> > > > >those who
> > > > > > > should exercise the highest moral character because they are
>the
> > > > >guardians of
> > > > > > > what little assets we have,
> > > > > > > and all that this does is to send the message that one can do
> > >anything
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > get away with it. No more. If they do it, we will talk about
>it
> > >loud
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > clear for the whole World to hear.No hard feelings Elhadj, and
>i
> > >am
> > > > >sure you
> > > > > > > will agree with me because i do believe you are a man of
>ethics,
> > >and
> > > > >truth
> > > > > > > can never be the equivalent of falsehood as the holy Qur'an
>tells
> > >us.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sister Jabou Joh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a message dated 11/24/01 6:11:53 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > > > > > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jabou,
> > > > > > > > I am sorry to say, that the truth you have mentioned in your
> > >mail,
> > > > >should
> > > > > > > > not be
> > > > > > > > mentioned on the Gambia-L. Ebou Jallow is the ONLY THIEF who
>has
> > > > >ever
> > > > > > > > stolen the
> > > > > > > > coffers of our country. All the rest who took our coffers in
>the
> > > > >past 37
> > > > > > > > years
> > > > > > > > has borrowed what they took. We hope the so called truthful
> > >G-Lers
> > > > >will ask
> > > > > > > > them,
> > > > > > > > when they will pay back our money? Some are running their
> > > > >progressive
> > > > > > > > businesses,
> > > > > > > > and others are sitting in their Mansions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Elhajj
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jabou Joh skrev:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/23/2001 7:57:24 PM Central Standard
> > >Time,
> > > > > > > > > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Samba and co,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I mean it when I said Ebou is Man. To apologise after
>all he
> > > > >siad and
> > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > against Jammeh and this Government, it is unbelievable.
>I
> > >could
> > > > >not
> > > > > > > > beleive
> > > > > > > > > > my eyes when I saw the original letter. At first I
>thought
> > >it
> > > > >was fake.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ebou Jallow has done so much damage to President Jammeh
>and
> > >this
> > > > > > > > Government
> > > > > > > > > > and I do not think he will be forgivened.I think this is
>all
> > >a
> > > > >CIA
> > > > > > > > plot. I
> > > > > > > > > > have know Ebou Jallow we had a good relation and we
>still
> > >do,
> > > > >but I just
> > > > > > > > > > hope he is not stupid enough to step his foot in this
> > >country.
> > > > >He will
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > tried and jailed. Even if President Jammeh forgives him,
> > >others
> > > > >would
> > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > He has done wrong to others too, not only President
>Jammeh.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He is a man. He knows what people would say about him
>and he
> > > > >still came
> > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > in public apologising. I think Ebou is being paid and
> > > > >manipulated by the
> > > > > > > > > > CIA. I might be wrong but this is my feeling. I do not
>see
> > > > >anything that
> > > > > > > > > > would save Ebou Jallow from being punished for what he
>did
> > >if he
> > > > >comes
> > > > > > > > > > back.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > PEACE
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tombong
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But Tombong,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With all due respect, Ebou Jallow has not done anything
>that
> > > > >Jammeh and co
> > > > > > > > > have not done, and on a much larger scale infact. Seems to
>me
> > >that
> > > > >he is
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > the only one who needs to be tried and jailed, so this is
>a
> > >case
> > > > >of " the
> > > > > > > > pot
> > > > > > > > > calling the kettel black". It is a strange thing when
> > >criminals
> > > > >try to
> > > > > > > > point
> > > > > > > > > fingers at each other.
> > > > > > > > >
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