Essa,
  Keep your head up!!!!! That is exactly the hypocrisy and twisting of the
facts that some people on this L try to make us believe, let them keep on
dreaming that this tactic will unseat the APRC.
  The fact remains that Ebou colley has been dinning with these people for a
long time and when things fell apart he decided to come out of the closet, I
can still remember one of his visits in New York City when he told
someone(name withheld) that "Just give us time and in the next 2 yrs, all of
you will want to return home". I still consider him as one of them and after
the APRC era I will not even hesitate to prosecute him on lesser charges as
part of the APRC bandwagon.
  Once again, Keep you head up!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanxxx
Bass Ndow

" The Mind of the apathetic is self-centered. The mind of the ignorant is
myopic. Self-centered  and myopic minds cannot conceive the demands of the
common good. The hearts of such people cannot appreciate those who struggle
to promote common good"---foroyaa







>From: Elow Wole <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: FOOLISH KEBBA  DAMPHA!! -
>Halifa_Sallah's_Reply_To_Ebou_Colley -
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:50:08 -0000
>
>KB,
>You need to shut the hell up and keep on believing in your beliefs.  You
>need to cut the bullshit and stop the name calling.  And who the hell are
>you?  Where are you from?  Who knows you?  I hope I never see or meet fools
>like you.  Or do you think you're popular coz you've been yapping on each
>and every posting on this forum. Talking about cyber bickering, how da heck
>do you think you can defeat the ruling party?  By wishful cyber
>brainstorming perhaps?  Analyze this, analyze that..., ANALYZE YOU,
>BROTHER!
>
>And matter of fact, shove your reply to guts, and take a long puff!
>
>Essa
>
>
>
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>>Mr. Colly, point well made. As numerous people have stated, no one in the
>>Opposition wins when our leaders lash out at each other. I hope Mr. Halifa
>>Sallah will take your explanation in good faith. I was tempted on Friday
>>to
>>point out to him that your main focus as far as the Meeting was concerned,
>>was to unmask the APRC stalwarts. But I thought it would be better if the
>>two of you settle whatever differences you might have on your own.
>>Secondly,
>>I had already made a private decision to stop commenting on Party Politics
>>and the inter-party squabbles certain people are fond of engaging in on
>>G_L.
>>I had decided to instead focus on Yaya and his gang rather than dwelling
>>on
>>whether Ousainou Darboe, Halifa Sallah or Hamat Bah is a better leader. To
>>me it does not matter who among those three leads us after October 2001. I
>>know you feel the same too.
>>
>>I would still have gone ahead and refrained from commenting on our
>>Opposition leaders after reading your piece, because I feel that you
>>adequately explained your position to Mr. Sallah. You were merely
>>narrating
>>what you SAW and HEARD. You did NOT try to make up anything. But the
>>reason
>>I decided to comment is to appeal to you publicly to resume your
>>invaluable
>>narratives about the July 22, 1994 'coup'. Mr. Colly, the casual G_L
>>reader
>>might not know, but certain people know the efforts put in by many
>>(including your humble self) for months to try and get the ball rolling on
>>your narratives. It is very important that the average Gambian knows what
>>happened to put us in the predicament we are in today. It is important
>>that
>>the average Gambian knows the true colors of the thugs holding our country
>>to ransom. There is simply no one with the wherewithal or the commitment
>>to
>>put the record straight as you do. As you know, efforts were made in the
>>past and continue to be made to get other soldiers to come out and tell
>>their stories like you are doing. Some have decided to embark on other
>>useful projects for the struggle; which is fine. You volunteered among
>>other
>>things to come to G_L and unmask the Devils that stole our country.
>>
>>As attested by (local Gambian) public reaction to your revelations, what
>>you
>>are saying is very important. People are eager to read 'Ebou Colly's next
>>piece'. I mean decent people. Of course the vermin and people with
>>skeletons
>>in their closets do not want to read your revelations. We have to continue
>>with the tunnel vision of getting rid of Yaya. Along the way, there will
>>be
>>numerous detractors with various agendas. Our task is to attribute to
>>those
>>distractions the contempt they deserve. I am not advocating for you to
>>ignore attacks you think are unjustified. What I am trying to say is that
>>those 'attacks' should not make you lose sight of the big prize. I find
>>disturbing your willingness to suspend your exposes and instead 'engage'
>>Mr.
>>Sallah. Engage Mr. Sallah if you have to, but please do NOT deprive the
>>Gambian public 'Ebou Colly's next installment'. Again, I hope everyone
>>realize that Yaya and his cohorts are the enemy. They are the ones that
>>are
>>currently slaughtering innocent and defenseless Gambians. They are the
>>ones
>>illegally incarcerating innocent Gambians. They are the ones that are
>>currently looting our government coffers. They are the ones that are
>>currently disgracing the Gambians in the international community.
>>
>>It pains me when I see clowns and self-promoters come on G_L and fantasize
>>about FUTURE atrocities UDP MIGHT inflict on non-Mandinkas if and when UDP
>>wins an election in the country. But Mr. Colly, instead of anger, I feel
>>pity for these misguided elements and I also feel sorry for our people on
>>the ground that are suffering the brunt of Yaya's atrocities. Everyday I
>>read G_L and other publications and talk to certain Gambians, it becomes
>>clearer to me that our salvation lies away from the ballot box. All the
>>more
>>reason why you should continue on your program.
>>
>>I hope that Gambians will be reading 'Ebou Colly's COUP IN GAMBIA SEVEN'
>>next Weekend. Thanks again for your invaluable contributions.
>>KB
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: ebou colly <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: Halifa_Sallah's_Reply_To_Ebou_Colley_-_Coup_In_The_Gambia_
>>>          Six
>>>Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:58:55 -0700
>>>
>>>MR. SALLAH
>>>To be frank with you Mr. Sallah, I hate hurting
>>>people's feelings for no good reason. Therefore for a
>>>while after reading your piece on me, highlighted by
>>>angry remarks from what you said was my distortion of
>>>the fact you presented in the Bronx a couple of weeks
>>>ago, I thought I should have simply written back few
>>>statements apologizing for what I thought was mere
>>>misunderstanding.  Anyway after a second review of
>>>your article I came to realize that I had nothing to
>>>apologize for after all.
>>>In the first place, Mr. Sallah, I still don't know how
>>>you missed it but my article was not in anyway written
>>>to report the cause or effect of the symposium held in
>>>the Bronx. I don't think there is a need for me to say
>>>it but I will still go ahead and state it anyway; that
>>>the central theme of my piece was the sixth part of
>>>the narrative I have been writing about on the 1994
>>>coup in The Gambia.
>>>My presence at that meeting was of minimal
>>>significance to what you have come to present about
>>>your party's doctrine in the USA. Anyway I'm glad that
>>>you mentioned Manding Darbo. He was one person who was
>>>aware of my presence at the meeting and could
>>>therefore bear me witness that I arrived there after
>>>10:00 p.m. and left barely an hour later. As a result
>>>given the fact that that was the only session of yours
>>>I attended since your arrival, I could not have been
>>>in that position of authority in anyway to criticize
>>>your party's efforts to be better understood here.
>>>When I walked into that hall that day, I found Mr.
>>>Darbo on his feet addressing the audience
>>>From what I understood you had, by then, already given
>>>your keynote address. Perhaps that was the time when
>>>you presented that comprehensive breakdown of your
>>>party's economic strategies with regards to the
>>>damnable economic mismanagement that has rendered The
>>>Gambia chronically indebted and the solution you
>>>theoretically had for it. I only read about most of
>>>that in your piece written from an ill-conceived
>>>judgement. Without doubt when the coalition topic was
>>>raised you gave a protracted analysis of the important
>>>factors to be considered against the background of
>>>what you called a tactical instrument which was
>>>paramount in Senegal's last presidential election.
>>>Politically, in your discussion you certainly talked
>>>about the coalition format of the P.S., Gibo Kah's
>>>party and that of Niasse's all to, of course, to rub
>>>in your point that a coalition was better ventured
>>>into in the second and not first round of presidential
>>>election. Economically I also heard you talking about
>>>the disadvantage of capitalism when "11% of the labor
>>>force in The Gambia is employed by the formal sector
>>>comprising of the public, 'parastatals' and private
>>>sector". To buttress your public-run enterprises you
>>>briefly explained how a PDOI government would exploit
>>>the fishing industry by buying fishing trawlers and
>>>building fish-processing plants and hiring Gambians to
>>>work there. That was all I could account for in what
>>>you, Mr. Sallah, had said about the coalition agenda.
>>>I will come to that later.
>>>Anyway in that Bronx hall, after Mr. Darbo's speech,
>>>which he delivered in English and Mandinka, it was
>>>followed by the introduction of the executive members
>>>of the NY movement who made the meeting possible. And
>>>then came the question and answer time from the
>>>audience.
>>>  If I am not mistaken it was after one or two persons
>>>spoke that Mr. Saul Mbenga came up with the question
>>>of the controversial coalition. Roughly twenty minutes
>>>later I was on my way home especially after realizing
>>>to my great disappointment that the prospect of
>>>opposition-party coalition for The Gambia's
>>>presidential election, something I strongly desired,
>>>had little chance of materializing, thanks to PDOIS'
>>>intransigence.
>>>So you see Mr. Sallah, you could notice that I was not
>>>necessarily in tune with all the economic theories you
>>>highlighted apart from the ones you mentioned in that
>>>short period between when the coalition question was
>>>asked and when I left the hall for home. As I said
>>>earlier I did not hear all those grandiose economic
>>>theories you said you discussed or argued about from
>>>Washington to New York.
>>>Here I would again remind you that my article was far
>>>from a report of the Bronx meeting but the sixth part
>>>of my series on the coup in the Gambia with the
>>>limited mention of my experience in that hall that
>>>day. Evidently my focal subject was the APRC loyalist
>>>often disguised in our midst as typified by those two
>>>elements I surely resented so much.
>>>Anyway it certainly went beyond that when I also
>>>decided to discuss for mainly the consumption of the
>>>Lers what I understood to be a serious obstacle in
>>>this issue of opposition coalition that had been a
>>>critical subject of interest to most of them. From
>>>what I understand, it was the dream of most of us that
>>>the opposition parties in The Gambia will, come
>>>October, put all their differences apart, political,
>>>economic or philosophical and form a unified front to
>>>get rid of Yaya Jammeh. Just like you put it in your
>>>closing statements about the wrongs committed by Yaya
>>>to the Gambian nation, he is definitely the worst
>>>thing that has ever happened to our country and the
>>>need to wipe him out should be prioritized over any
>>>individual party's hopes or aspirations. It was
>>>therefore our belief in the Diaspora that the
>>>opposition parties coming together NOW would
>>>tremendously help in this effort. Anything otherwise,
>>>I personally feared would put the country in that
>>>hopeless situation where we might end up with Yaya
>>>defiantly persecuting one group of opposing forces to
>>>the other while some others frantically search for
>>>nonexistent answers in the prostituted constitution or
>>>in the useless office of the chief justice. I hope you
>>>could relate to what I am driving at.
>>>So Mr. Sallah, I hope you now got it clear that I was
>>>not trying to reduce all that you had said "to a
>>>defense of a state-controlled economic system. Nor was
>>>I showing my little respect for fact and objectivity.
>>>By referring to those two elements against the
>>>background of your statement that seemed to anger you
>>>so much might be inappropriate on my side, but
>>>certainly it did not mean that I had "little taste for
>>>facts and much taste for fiction". I think you were
>>>unnecessarily hard on me my friend.
>>>It is pitiful that your party spent over D20, 000.00
>>>for the long travel to the USA just for you to go back
>>>with only $500.00. And too bad still that some
>>>Washingtonians robbed you of more money by taking your
>>>party's paraphernalia without giving you a dime. If
>>>they really knew that the items were for your party's
>>>fund raising but chose to ignore that, then I think
>>>you have the right to call it a foul. But if they were
>>>not informed by anyone then the blame should be
>>>redirected to a different target. Anyway I don't know
>>>why me. By the way, was it that those who invited you
>>>to come gave you the impression that substantial
>>>amount of money was awaiting  you to receive after all
>>>that huge expense to come to the US? I could have
>>>never known.
>>>Anyhow Mr. Sallah let's move on. When I read your
>>>piece on me, I was surprised by the degree of
>>>sincerity you said guided your line of argument on the
>>>subject.  "I spoke with sincerity and fairness", you
>>>emphatically stated.  Then down the line after you
>>>said you argued about the critical issues surrounding
>>>the possibility of a coalition in the first round of
>>>voting you wrote: "I did not want the discussion to
>>>degenerate into argument. I therefore posed the
>>>question as to what formulae Darbo had in mind for the
>>>selection of the presidential candidate". Did that
>>>really mean that you were not necessarily interested
>>>in that question or its answer but only made to divert
>>>the trend of discussion to avoid argument, as you put
>>>it? If so then the level of our honest appreciation of
>>>the situation must have been ludicrous.
>>>Then you further wrote: "At that point any competent
>>>observer would be able to read from Darbo's words that
>>>when he was talking about an "electable" candidate he
>>>did not have any formulae in mind for the coalition to
>>>select its candidate".
>>>I may be an incompetent observer but as far as I could
>>>observe, Mr. Darbo's reaction showed me that the
>>>selection of a presidential candidate should not be
>>>the main obstacle to the coalition and could be worked
>>>out after an agreement was struck in principle. After
>>>all I don't think Mr. Saul Mbenga who asked the
>>>original question or any of those who were listening
>>>for answers expected you or Mr. Darbo to be fully
>>>prepared for all the answers especially on that very
>>>sensitive question.
>>>Anyway up to the time I left the hall neither you nor
>>>Mr. Darbo presented any formula for selecting the
>>>candidate. I was however surprised to read what you
>>>wrote here: "For example, PDOIS's presidential
>>>candidate would easily accept being a president for
>>>one year to restore all the constitutional provisions
>>>that are reasonable and justifiable in a democratic
>>>society.  Strengthening the IEC, open up the media and
>>>then call for another presidential election after
>>>creating the constitutional machinery for that to take
>>>place in a year after assuming office. In that case
>>>the people would have made an undiluted choice. Such
>>>formulae are bases for coalition. We can go on and on.
>>>Other parties may also come up with their own
>>>formulae."
>>>Now Mr. Sallah, it seemed that you were really talking
>>>here. Although your statement tend to refer to what a
>>>PDOIS presidential candidate would do after
>>>immediately assuming office, my instincts, after
>>>evaluating your last sentences here made me conclude
>>>that this is exactly the fundamental terms and
>>>conditions your party would want to settle for in a
>>>coalition bid.
>>>I did not however stay at the Bronx hall to the end of
>>>the meeting but since you thought Mr. Darbo was
>>>unprepared for a coalition formula while you were, I
>>>hope by all that sincerity and honesty you had
>>>claimed, you did present your conditions as you had
>>>done in your article. If not, why? After all that
>>>might have triggered Mr. Darbo into airing out his
>>>views too. But to categorically think that Mr. Darbo
>>>had had no formula in mind that day for the coalition
>>>to select a candidate is absolutely baffling. Anyway
>>>looking at the reason you said was the purpose of
>>>asking for formulae for a coalition, the real issue
>>>was not honestly being discussed. You said you were
>>>merely trying to avoid things degenerating into an
>>>argument. I did not know that the seemingly good
>>>rapport between the two of you was that tense.
>>>Pure capitalism and pure socialism! This is another
>>>issue you seemed to have blown out of proportion Mr.
>>>Sallah making it sound as if I did not know what I was
>>>talking about. When I used the word pure here I meant
>>>it to only emphasize my point, like you did when you
>>>talked about undiluted choices. Anyway I know that
>>>socialism or capitalism could not be pure or impure
>>>equally as choices could not be diluted or undiluted.
>>>However when in the middle of the coalition discussion
>>>you mentioned that your party believed in socialism
>>>while the other parties did not and even branded Mr.
>>>Hamat Bah as a self-proclaimed capitalist with Mr.
>>>Darbo also standing firm in the economic policy of his
>>>party, I felt the ultimate crash in my hopes for a
>>>coalition. My mention of the incompartibility of the
>>>two rival systems was a derivative from what the
>>>originators of socialist philosophy had taught mankind
>>>about it since at the beginning. Marx, Angel, Lenin,
>>>Mao, Kim IL Sung, Kwame Nkrumah, from the founding
>>>fathers to the active propagators of the obsolete
>>>philosophy, these men for ages had confidently
>>>promoted the belief that man as a social and economic
>>>being was in the process of evolving for the
>>>ultimately great economic system. It was stated in
>>>Dialectical Materialism that man's first settlement
>>>after the roaming clan, naturally adopted the economic
>>>system of communalism. And after a while, that system
>>>evolved into feudalism which eventually gave way to
>>>capitalism. And capitalism by their standards was
>>>defined as the last stage of the old developmental
>>>pattern, which would come to an end, not by evolution
>>>this time but by revolution. One of the most popular
>>>but highly erroneous concepts of the true believers
>>>was that capitalism was going be the master of its own
>>>destruction when its time to disintegrate had arrived.
>>>It was said that as a result of its economic growth
>>>pattern, the rich would continue to be richer while
>>>the poor got poorer until a revolution by the masses
>>>forced the few privileged ones at the top to come down
>>>and be replaced by the dictatorship of the
>>>proletariat. Of course the reality of the existence of
>>>a viable middle class as part of the capitalist class
>>>equation that would maintain the system at where it
>>>was estimated to collapse never occurred in the minds
>>>of those so-called great thinkers. However their
>>>utopian economic emancipation was defined as a
>>>wonderful society where everybody would be equal,
>>>everyone employed, each working according to his
>>>ability and earning according to his needs. Yet
>>>individual difference or ability was not given much
>>>weight.
>>>I believe that George Owel's satirical novel, Animal
>>>Farm showed us all the shortcomings, contradictions,
>>>and above all the imminent failure of such an
>>>unnatural system.
>>>  It was a system meant to function under a
>>>state-controlled economy with no tolerance for
>>>anything capitalistic. Certainly the system has been
>>>dying since the collapse of the Soviet Empire in 1991,
>>>the first country to implement it after the Russian
>>>Revolution of 1917 and hopelessly tried to perfect it
>>>for decades. Nevertheless, there are still few
>>>die-hard believers who would not give it up, perhaps
>>>because of old chronic habits.
>>>Therefore when Mr. Sallah stated that his party was
>>>socialistic in principle which should be put under
>>>consideration in the coalition issue and further
>>>specified on Mr. Hamat Bah's capitalistic views, I did
>>>not know that he had in mind another socialism
>>>different from the originally prescribed order. That
>>>was why I said that with Mr. Dardo and Mr. Hamat Bah
>>>echoing similar sentiments in the economic system of
>>>capitalism, they would not be able to mix with PDOIS
>>>for those obvious reasons.
>>>Now to my surprise again, Mr. Sallah has come up to
>>>tell me that their socialism, which we are yet to
>>>experience its practicability, is something else. And
>>>he seemed to confidently think that it could solve
>>>Gambia's economic problems just like that. Did we not
>>>witness how nature or God interfered with the master
>>>plan of the North Koreans, one of the most organized
>>>socialist countries before.?
>>>So Mr. Sallah you could see that I was not bringing
>>>any new concepts when I mentioned pure socialism and
>>>pure capitalism not mixing, but I also did not know
>>>that the obsolete socialism once propagated by the
>>>Marxists could come in another form and still being
>>>called socialism. I would love to see that text of
>>>yours you talked about with Saja Taal. Perhaps that
>>>would enlighten me about the socialism you are talking
>>>about.
>>>Anyway how could you say that Mr. Darbo's economic
>>>program was in conflict with what he said the other
>>>day about subsidizing the female farmers in their
>>>gardening projects?  I don't think capitalism forbids
>>>state-funded projects especially when it comes to
>>>subsidizing the ordinary farmer's efforts.
>>>However regardless of all the denial in your spoken
>>>and written words, at the end of the day I seriously
>>>think that you are the very one who is anti-coalition
>>>but don't want to admit it up front.
>>>Listen to your self here again: "Reflecting on the
>>>NRP-UDP Kiang coalition…do we conclude that the APRC
>>>is popular or do we conclude that there is a need for
>>>a third force that would be able to earn the
>>>confidence of the people to up root the APRC"?
>>>As far as I am concerned, the Kiang scenario does not
>>>demand a third force as such to up root the APRC.
>>>Instead the Kiang situation was the learning
>>>experience for the opposition parties to be prepared
>>>to face the APRC with all the resources and ideas they
>>>could muster together to get rid of Yaya in the first
>>>round. Yaya should never be allowed to win the first
>>>round, come rain come storm.
>>>In conclusion Mr. Sallah read what you wrote here
>>>again: "Those who sincerely want change in The Gambia
>>>should encourage the party of your choice to do its
>>>best and not undermine others who are doing their
>>>best. This is the code of conduct that all those who
>>>want change should adopt".
>>>I don't know how you equated our ability to read and
>>>comprehend written words but Mr. Sallah, it is glaring
>>>that coalition is the last thing you want to go for if
>>>ever you would want to.
>>>But please can you do me one favor? Can you please add
>>>limitation of term of office for the presidency in
>>>your host of formulae for the top seat? If I have the
>>>opportunity to communicate to Mr. Darbo and Mr. Bah I
>>>will ask for the same favor. It is my conviction that
>>>transparency and accountability is still the key to
>>>good governance; and this could only be obtained when
>>>presidents understand in their heads that they will be
>>>going at a known time the very day they assumed
>>>office, preferably in a period of two terms of five
>>>years only. Let's say ten years maximum!
>>>If the president is genuinely accountable to the
>>>people who elected him, everything about checks and
>>>balances will automatically fall in its proper place.
>>>I am not going to say bye, because I know your
>>>endurance to go toe to toe for the final knockout; but
>>>hey, I think I can suspend my weekly series on the
>>>coup and engage you all the way to the last round.
>>>So hope to hear from you soon, body.
>>>Greetings!
>>>
>>>Ebou Colly.
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