In the marriage vows today, that old chattel claptrap is still being used.
"Who giveth this woman......."blah, blah, blah, ad nauseam.  It's usually a
man giving the woman to another man.....  How sickening.....   Oliva

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From: "ardeith l carter" <[log in to unmask]>
and women
> were "sold" in marriage to further their fathers'
> interests....again with the support of the Church....