I think that would help.  But certainly I would think a raw piece of fruit
would be better, with all the fiber to buffer the sugar.
Right now I am not eating much fruit, but eventually would like to see how
my blood glucose would do with some fruit in the morning.  Raw fruit like
berries, with skin and even seeds, would be the best, I'd imagine.

P
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wurtenberg, Eric" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: Compulsive Eating (was "Weight Gain")


> What about when you buffer it with fat?
>
> -Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Getty [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:00 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Compulsive Eating (was "Weight Gain")
>
>
> I agree.  One of the things I don't agree with Paleo eating is starting
the
> day with fruit juice.  It is the worst thing to start your day with.
Might
> as well just swallow sugar, for what it does to insulin on an empty
stomach.
>
> P
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sheryl Canter" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 9:46 AM
> Subject: Compulsive Eating (was "Weight Gain")
>
>
> Katrina Greer wrote:
> > I know paleo isn't called a "low carb" diet, but the fact is that most
of
> the things Ray says paleos are supposed to eat are definitely low carb!
>
> There's a difference between "low carb" and "lower carb".  Paleo eating
> tends
> to be lower carb than the standard American diet because of the absence of
> grain.  Eating very low carb leads to cravings and/or ketosis, and in my
> opinion is not healthy--or at least not ideal.  (I realize that Eskimos
eat
> like this.)
>
> Katrina Greer wrote:
> > And besides, I have to eat a wide variety of things or I feel deprived.
> ...
> > I have trouble staying completely paleo because I find it too limited
> in variety. Could you post what you usually eat?
>
> It's healthy to eat a wide variety of things, and not impossible to do on
a
> paleo diet!  When I first started eating paleo, I felt the same
thing--felt
> I
> was eating the same foods all the time.  That's just because I hadn't
> learned
> how to cook using paleo ingredients.  You need to relearn.  I make all
kinds
> of things now that I never made before.  I'm exploring different
> vegetables--especially roots now that it's fall--and I have been trying
all
> kinds of different meat dishes.  I've made interesting vegetable dishes
with
> celeriac, lotus root, beets, greens, winter squash and bone broth.  Note
> that
> roots and winter squash are carby--it's natural to eat more carbs in the
> cold
> months because that's what's available!
>
> We have a lot of ground beef because we bought a (slaughtered) grass-fed
> cow,
> and I've been making all kinds of things with ground beef--meat loaf,
> sauteed
> chop meat with veggies, stuffed cabbage, etc.  I make beef jerky and
> zucchini
> chips regularly for snacks (dried zucchini is far more delicious than
potato
> chips, and similar in texture).  I make all different kinds of salads.
I've
> discovered spaghetti squash.  This is just a sampling of the different
foods
> I've been eating since "going paleo".  You need to explore what you can do
> with paleo foods.  There's a learning curve here!
>
> Katrina Greer wrote:
> > (And I like to snack--probably a nervous habit--ha!).
>
> It's healthy to eat frequently.  In this model, you eat just enough to
> satisfy hunger.  You're then hungry again sooner because you didn't eat
that
> much.  Your body is better able to handle small amounts of food at a time.
> There is also research evidence that you will burn more calories this way.
> If you eat  1200 calories all at once, you will lose weight slower than if
> you eat it in small portions throughout the day.
>
> Nervous eating is something else.  That's the compulsive eating
> thing--eating
> when you're not hungry to calm yourself down.
>
> Katrina Greer wrote:
> > Regarding coping mechanisms you mentioned, in the last four weeks I have
> given up carbs (which I absolutely love--nobody appreciates french fries
and
> cookies as much as I do), cigarettes and nail-biting. All this at once has
> left me feeling as if I have nothing left to do that will give me that
> "comfort" that I need. And everyone always suggests that you replace these
> "bad habits" with exercise, so I started a kind of "dancing aerobics"
class
> three times a week. But I will have to admit that I really don't like to
> go. It's not doing the dancing that I dislike, it's the time that it takes
> to do it that could be spent doing other, more enjoyable things. The good
> thing about the exercise is that when I regained the 6 pounds, I didn't
feel
> any larger. I am hoping that at least part of the six pounds that came
back
> was muscle tissue. Any suggestions for other coping strategies?
>
> There is no reason at all to give up carbs, and you should not!!!!  If you
> do, you will crave them and you will binge.  There are plenty of carby
foods
> that are paleo--roots, winter squash, fruit.  These are low on the
glycemic
> index and will not spike your blood sugar, but will give you the carbs
that
> you need.  Stay away from dried fruit or fruit juice on an empty stomach.
> If
> you have other things in your stomach as well (protein or fat), your blood
> sugar won't shoot up as much.  It's better to eat raisins with a few nuts
> than by themselves.
>
> Also, let yourself eat a donut or chocolate or whatever else you crave.
> Eventually, you'll stop wanting it so much.  I have had the VERY ODD
> experience lately of finding that the cakes and cookies I thought I loved
> are
> tasting unpleasantly sweet to me lately.  I bought a brownie a week or so
> ago, took a bite, and threw it out!  I could never have imagined that I'd
> ever find a food too sweet, but the paleo diet seems to be adjusting my
> taste
> buds.  I've also cut out salt, and find that commercial sausages (nitrate
> free, of course) taste so salty to me they are inedible.
>
> As for how to comfort and calm yourself when you have given up all the
> compulsive habits you were using to calm yourself before... This is an
> extremely important question--central.  First of all, recognize that while
> you are learning how to deal with anxiety in other ways, you may sometimes
> need to fall back on your old strategies.  Don't berate yourself when you
do
> this.  Just note that at this moment you needed to eat when you weren't
> hungry because you didn't know how else to calm down.
>
> Second... You will find, as with any addiction, that as you remove the
> addictive distraction (in this case, obsession with food and body size),
the
> real issues causing the anxiety will start to press in on you.  This is
> actually good.  If you are forced to feel the feelings, you will tend to
> take
> actions to truly fix the problems instead of medicating them (as with
drugs
>
> or alcohol) or, if you're using food, "stuffing" them.  When you stop an
> addictive behavior, you have the opportunity to truly solve the underlying
> problems.  When you are fleeing the anxiety through compulsive behavior,
the
> problems will tend not to get solved.
>
> So... (here's the zinger)... this means that sometimes you have to sit
with
> anxiety--just feel it.  As you learn to feed yourself in response to true
> hunger, you will be better able to do this because you will start to
> experience yourself as a reliable caretaker.  Feeding yourself in response
> to
> true physical hunger has a very deep impact on your psyche--at the very
> deepest levels--because this is how we first came to feel safe and calm as
> infants.  Part of nervous eating is a fear of hunger--we fear that we will
> not feed ourselves adequately.  And since we have been depriving ourselves
> for years, we have reason not to trust ourselves!  As we learn to feed
> ourselves and become reliable to ourselves in doing this, the fear of
hunger
> starts to go away, as does the nervous eating.  We become calmer and
better
> able to sit with feelings of anxiety because we start to trust ourselves
to
> be able to solve our problems.  This really happens!  I have experienced
it.
>
> My main point is, don't feel you have to immediately take away any anxiety
> you feel the moment you feel it.  This is actually addictive thinking.
You
> can sit with it.  You will be okay.  And if you find you cannot sit with
it
> at this time, go ahead and calm yourself with food if you need to, but do
it
> without judgement or guilt.  You're just learning how to feed yourself
> properly, and undoing the damage takes time.
>
> Katrina Greer wrote:
> > The minute I start thinking about food I'm not supposed to have, the
more
> I
> know I just have to have it or I'll die! I do better when I CHOOSE to eat
or
> not to eat.
>
> That is a natural, normal, and HEALTHY reaction!  It's HEALTHY to rebel
> against unnecessary restriction.  Why SHOULDN'T you eat whatever you
want?!
> You are entitled.  Carrying extra fat doesn't make you "unworthy" of
eating
> certain delicious foods!!!!
>
> Katrina Greer wrote:
> > I just want you to know how much it meant for me to hear that you have
had
> the same struggles that I have been experiencing and how well you are
> learning to manage your body.
>
> > Thanks so much!!!
>
> It is very helpful for me to share these ideas and write them out because
it
> reinforces it for me.  I am struggling with this, too, and I need to keep
> these ideas top of mind.  It's hugely helpful for me to share with others.
> It's like sponsoring in 12-step programs, if you are familiar with that.
My
> compulsive eating has been much better lately, and I can tell from my
> clothes
> that my weight has dropped somewhat.  But the main point is not my
> weight--it's freedom from the obsession with food and body size, which I
> have
> been experiencing, too.  I have also been solving some long-standing
> problems
> that have nothing to do with food, but have a lot to do with the anxiety
> I've
> been stuffing with food.
>
> Katrina Greer wrote:
> > My husband is on it and he likes it too. He has lost 12 lbs. and that
> really urks me because he eats more than I do!
>
> My boyfriend eats staggering amounts of food and never gains an ounce.
He's
> lost about 5 pounds on the paleo diet, brought down his blood pressure,
> gained muscle, and lost fat.  Some people are just like that--especially
> men.
>  Compulsive eating affects women far more often than men because of our
> culture.  Just as you find virtually no men who are anorexic, you find
> virtually no men who are compulsive eaters.  These are women's problems,
> caused by the pressures on women in our society.
>
>      - Sheryl
>
>