Ok, Michael, you win 'cause I'm confused and I deleted most of our thread.
Regarding point #2: Right again! I give you T. Jefferson as proof. Good
moralist, perhaps. Definitly not Xian. Regards your last sentence in para.
1: Well, didn't the Isrealites under Saul, David and Solomon keep their war
plunder? Such is the spoils of war. I haven't a problem with this and
think, objectively, that the resources of any vanquished nation who attacks
first deserves to be despoiled as payment for their attempted hegemony.
Hoo-Yah!
"From the Halls of Montezuma" n' all that.
-Kyle
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael H. Collis [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 5:43 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Our Future (WAS:democratic pregnancy)
Who said agape love was normative? I would consider agape to be
unnormative.
The love of people in community is phileo love, and that is where our
"Nationalism" such as it is, comes from. "Scr*w Iraq, let's fight them
m*****-f*****'s for our oil."
I have one other thing to say. The United States wasn't, is not now, and
never
will be a Christian nation; a religious nation, perhaps. The term Christian
Nation is an oxymoron, and Jesus had the sharpest rebuke to those who said
G-d
was on this or that side.
Mike
"Cleveland, Kyle E." wrote:
> Agree with your defs, but I never would have considered Agape normative.
> What I'm saying is that even "family love" is on the rocks and the
exception
> to the rule in the rich West.
>
> -Kyle
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