Amadeus:
>Gawen or David - on what we are now you can debate. However
>we stem from a fruit eating population, as all primates are.
>50 million years speak a impressive voice, before at most 2
>million years of more uncertain sources.

>>After we left the tropical zones, fruit was only available
>>for a couple months a year.

Amadeus:
>The fruit also was not nearly as sweet.   After we left the tropical
>zones... there's a long long way to the northern regions, where
>the Inuit live.   I'm not talking about sweetness, I'm talking
>about energy sources. What kind of fruit you may choose, most
>energy available in nature is in form of carbohydrates.
>E.g. rosehips: 0.4 percent fat, 20% carbs 3.6% protein .

Sweet or not, fruits are very seasonal and therefore, I would think,
not to be found in great abundance.

Amadeus:
>There are good sources of fat as well. Particularly nuts and
>some seeds. For animal fat you have to go faaaar north, as we've seen.

So we can agree that there was no shortage of fat.

Amadeus:
>To avoid carbohydrates... a good idea for a diabetic, for a inuit
>or if you hope to find weight loss in this way.

Yes - and for the millions of overweight people who have problems
with insulin sensitivity.

Amadeus:
>For paleolithic people you have to explain where and when
>such could have occured among *your* anchestry. And please
>don't think of only the last 40k years.

I do not think that anybody is talking about avoiding carbohydrates
- only that it makes little sense from a paleo perspective going
overboard on them like you are.

Amadeus:
>That's only 2% of 2 mio years.   The real culprit of the disadvantages
>of carbohydrates are the common extractions. Sugar, white flour,
>extracted starch and devitaminizing precessings (there are a lot).
>In my humble opinion.

This is no justification for eating the proportions that you
are consuming.  When are you going to give us a breakdown of your
own diet?

Amadeus:
>Nature carbohydrates (eating whole items) serve real energy.

As do all natural foods.

Amadeus:
>They are real paleo.

Not in the amounts and proportions that you are consuming.

Amadeus:
>and healthy unless your system hasn't been damadged by the
>extracted ones before (diabetes).

You should know by now that there are many exceptions to this.

Amadeus:
>Carbohydrates are necessary to make eating of wild game
>possible unless it is as fat as the force fed cattle and
>pigs of today are.

Only if muscle meat was the only source of fat.

Amadeus:
>You have to go quite far to the north
>to find such fatty animals year round in the wild.
>Todays Europe/US climate animals demand to add carbohydrates
>or fat. If there wasn't fat there, it must have been carbs.

Only relevant points if fat were a scarce commodity.

Peter