> >Since I am a reductionist, let's cut right to the
> >chase :) <snip>
> presented that way it is not a question but a
> statement that there is two
> camps that are imcompatible but i see them as
> perfectly complementary.

I formatted my question that way so as to avoid any
ambiguities. But, I also see a huge difference in the
two philosophies - one being that there is an external
force at work, the other being that it is an entirely
internal matter.

> To give an image the virus will be the piece of
> information that you have 3 <snip>

Let's see if I understand your analogy. It's kind of
like the "victim" of tabloid news (National Enquirer)-
the reaction is either that of serenity ("who cares
what they write about me"), or anger ("I'll sue the
pants off them!")??

> Note that there is no need for you to have a "strong
> immune system " to
> "fight" off the disease you just knows better and
> smile at this silly
> statement.

I did not say you need a "strong immune system" - that
notion carries a lot of baggage. I would prefer to
think of it as a properly functioning immune system -
an immune system that has not been damaged by poor
diet or lifestyle.

> Also it makes sense that if  this statement has
> succeded in you perceiving
> yourself differently  it will be usefull to be
> passed around so all the
> species can benefit .

Huh?

> In my daily life of raw food eater i can say  there
> is many viruses,
> parasites and bacterias that i enconter or even
> carry and transmit but i am
> not affected by it while my surrounding  , eating
> differently , are
> periodically or even chronically "dis ease " by
> those encounters, <snip>

So how does that differ from my contention that the
immune system can be compromised - thereby allowing
the *disease* organisms to cause problems? I'll throw
my own analogy in here. Picture yourself as an
independent country of cells, bacteria, viruses, etc.
all living in perfect harmony. Picture an "evil army"
of bacteria, viruses, etc. from another country, who's
only goal is conquer and destroy. You are safe as long
as your defenses are strong - they have no reason to
attack you. But if your defenses are weakened (because
of budget cuts, politics, poor planning, whatever),
you are suddenly at the mercy of this "evil army".

> about the word CAUSE  can you say that the sun cause
> life on earth  when the
> same sun reaching the moon don't have this effect at
> all .?
> you need more than one cause to get even only one
> effect . So the more
> complex muddling up of causes and effects of reality
> is beyond the
> comprehension of the most successfull analytical
> mind.
<snip>
> this way of thinking ( analytical)  favorised by the
> whole education system,
> getting its apatheose in scientists is far from
> being the only way of
> thinking .
> I understand that when you have been trained to
> think that way it is hard to
> see differently.
> jean-claude

Interesting -ANALYSIS-, Jean-Claude :)


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