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"John Leeke, Preservation Consultant" <[log in to unmask]>
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"Two Pinheads, three opinions." -- LK
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Does anyone know if the ASTM committe for an Historic Structures Report
standard arrived at a final result?

John
by hammer and hand great works do stand
by pen and thought best words are wrought

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> There are 19 messages totalling 701 lines in this issue.
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>   1. BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 16 Apr 2002 to 17 Apr 2002 (#2002-105)
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>   2. BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 17 Apr 2002 to 18 Apr 2002 (#2002-106)
(2)
>   3. Lighthouse Seriously, Question frm ][<en?
>   4. batting clean up (7)
>   5. Confederacy (3)
>   6. PHC tickets were still available at 3 PM at Town Hall...
>   7. aphc 20 april (2)
>   8. Fear of New York
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> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 12:40:33 +0000
> From:    Johnette Davies <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 16 Apr 2002 to 17 Apr 2002
(#2002-105)
>
> There is a really great book about southern attitudes
> toward the Civil War, the north etc. called "Confederates
> in the Attic."  Also a lot of interesting and funny stuff
> about hard core reenactors.  It's very well written;
> funny in parts, incredibly engaging and thought
> provoking.
> I was never really interested in visiting the south until
> I read this book.  A camping trip to Kentucky and
> Tennessee at age 12 doesn't exactly give much of a view.
>  Especially when the highlight was Opryland and Twitty
> City.  Whew!  We did have a good time, though.
>
> - Johnette
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 12:47:36 +0000
> From:    Johnette Davies <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 17 Apr 2002 to 18 Apr 2002
(#2002-106)
>
> Date:    Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:18:54 EDT
>  From:    Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
>  Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 14 Apr 2002 to
> 15 Apr 2002 (#2002-103)
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>  In a message dated 4/17/2002 7:05:48 PM Pacific Daylight
> Time,
>  [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
>  > pasties ???
>
>
> Did I really write that?  Oops.  Try "pastries."
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 09:43:27 EDT
> From:    Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Lighthouse Seriously, Question frm ][<en?
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> In a message dated 4/19/02 8:05:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask]
> writes:
>
>
> > What is ASTM?  Sounds like a secret society to me.  The Hick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Ruth,
>
> ASTM is the American Society for Testing and Materials.  It's a really fun
> group who sets standards for concrete, children's toys, steel, and God
knows
> what else (virtually everything).  Makes the Pinheads, to say nothing of
the
> National Association of W Lovers, look tremendously exciting.  But they do
> good work.
>
> Ralph
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> <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 4/19/02
8:05:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What is ASTM?&nbsp; Sounds like a
secret society to me.&nbsp; The Hick<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
> <BR>
> Ruth,<BR>
> <BR>
> ASTM is the American Society for Testing and Materials.&nbsp; It's a
really fun group who sets standards for concrete, children's toys, steel,
and God knows what else (virtually everything).&nbsp; Makes the Pinheads, to
say nothing of the National Association of W Lovers, look tremendously
exciting.&nbsp; But they do good work.<BR>
> <BR>
> Ralph</FONT></HTML>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 09:49:07 EDT
> From:    Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: batting clean up
>
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> In a message dated 4/19/02 10:09:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask]
> writes:
>
>
> >
> > >> what was for the most part a negotiated project and when the second
phase
> >> went out to bid the guy that was half us in cost caused the owner to
> >> wonder if we had not been ripping them off.
> >
> > I am sure that the architect who recommended you in the first place was
> > then also eyed suspiciously by the client, and was left to deal with the
> > numb nut B team.  But of course even though he/she had to spend more
time
> > in the field babysitting contractor B's crew, was groused at each time
said
> > babysitting was invoiced. God, I'm getting depressed.
> >
> >
>
> You'd be more depressed if you were in my shoes.
>
> Ralph
>
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> <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 4/19/02
10:09:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">what was for the most part a
negotiated project and when the second phase went out to bid the guy that
was half us in cost caused the owner to wonder if we had not been ripping
them off. </FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
> </FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
> I am sure that the architect who recommended you in the first place was
then also eyed suspiciously by the client, and was left to deal with the
numb nut B team.&nbsp; But of course even though he/she had to spend more
time in the field babysitting contractor B's crew, was groused at each time
said babysitting was invoiced. God, I'm getting depressed. <BR>
> <BR>
> </FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
> <BR>
> </FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><B>You'd be more depressed if you
were in my shoes.<BR>
> <BR>
> Ralph</B></FONT></HTML>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 09:51:02 EDT
> From:    Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 16 Apr 2002 to 17 Apr 2002
(#2002-105)
>
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> In a message dated 4/20/02 7:40:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > There is a really great book about southern attitudes
> > toward the Civil War, the north etc. called "Confederates
> > in the Attic."
>
> Also try "A Confederacy of Dunces."  Very humorous.
>
> Ralph
>
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> <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 4/20/02
7:40:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">There is a really great book
about southern attitudes<BR>
> toward the Civil War, the north etc. called "Confederates<BR>
> in the Attic."&nbsp; </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
> <BR>
> Also try "A Confederacy of Dunces."&nbsp; Very humorous.<BR>
> <BR>
> Ralph</FONT></HTML>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 09:52:03 EDT
> From:    Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 17 Apr 2002 to 18 Apr 2002
(#2002-106)
>
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> In a message dated 4/20/02 7:48:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > Did I really write that?  Oops.  Try "pastries."
> >
> >
>
> He was trying to trick you.  You wrote "pastries."
>
> Mr. Honest
>
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> <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 4/20/02
7:48:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Did I really write that?&nbsp;
Oops.&nbsp; Try "pastries."<BR>
> <BR>
> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
> <BR>
> He was trying to trick you.&nbsp; You wrote "pastries."<BR>
> <BR>
> Mr. Honest</FONT></HTML>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:24:03 EDT
> From:    Met History <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: batting clean up
>
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> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > You'd be more depressed if you were in my shoes.  Ralph
>
> I thought someone took your shoes,  a mile away.   Sign me,  Penny Loafer
>
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> <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>[log in to unmask] writes:
> <BR>
> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><B>You'd be more
depressed if you were in my shoes. &nbsp;Ralph</B> </BLOCKQUOTE>
> <BR>
> <BR>I thought someone took your shoes, &nbsp;a mile away. &nbsp;&nbsp;Sign
me, &nbsp;Penny Loafer</FONT></HTML>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:09:32 -0400
> From:    Mark Mordhorst <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: batting clean up
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> > So, I may bid too high, but I firmly believe that it is not how many
> dollars you spend, it is what you get for a dollar that counts.
>
>
> So, true. We are consistently in the same boat, underbid by operators that
> know that everyone involved, to a level just short of the architect, is
> playing the same low-bid-make-it-up-in-change-orders game.
>
> All too often we are called upon to correct the blunders of the
low-bidder.
> Of course, no owner or GC likes to be reminded that at that point they're
> paying for the work at least twice over (becuase they still have to pay to
> litgate against the low bidder). When will they learn?
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 12:57:37 -0400
> From:    Leland Torrence <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Confederacy
>
> Does anyone remember "Confederacy of Dunces"?
> Best,
> Leland
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:05:48 EDT
> From:    Met History <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: PHC tickets were still available at 3 PM at Town Hall...
>
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> ...in the loge.  Any last minuters could take a chance and show up, but
> earlier would be better.  There is often someone selling an extra ticket
or
> two on the line.
>
> Christopher Gray
>
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> <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>...in the loge. &nbsp;Any
last minuters could take a chance and show up, but earlier would be better.
&nbsp;There is often someone selling an extra ticket or two on the line.
> <BR>
> <BR>Christopher Gray</FONT></HTML>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:03:49 +1000
> From:    =?iso-8859-1?q?david=20west?= <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: aphc 20 april
>
> dammit
>
> got my timezones all muddled, and managed to miss all
> but the last 10 minutes of the APHC show this morning
> (yesterday evening your time).
>
> Discovered that the show is live webcast (three camera
> positions updated every 15 seconds) and live audio
> netcast - but then I had to download and install the
> software, which took another 10 minutes of valuable
> time ... so all I got was the last two songs from the
> band taking the show out.
>
> Hope y'all enjoyed the show ... I'll be trying to
> remember to tune in every Sunday morning from
> 8am-10am!
>
> Cheers
>
> david
>
> http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger
> - A great way to communicate long-distance for FREE!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:19:33 EDT
> From:    Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: batting clean up
>
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> In a message dated 4/20/2002 10:29:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > I thought someone took your shoes,  a mile away
>
> Just smells that way in Manhattan when they don't pick up the garbage for
a
> couple of weeks.
>
> Ralph
>
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> <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated
4/20/2002 10:29:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I thought someone took your
shoes,&nbsp; a mile away</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000"
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial"
LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
> </FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
> Just smells that way in Manhattan when they don't pick up the garbage for
a couple of weeks.<BR>
> <BR>
> Ralph</FONT></HTML>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:21:38 EDT
> From:    Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: batting clean up
>
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> In a message dated 4/20/2002 11:03:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > All too often we are called upon to correct the blunders of the
low-bidder.
> > Of course, no owner or GC likes to be reminded that at that point
they're
> > paying for the work at least twice over (becuase they still have to pay
to
> > litgate against the low bidder). When will they learn?
> >
>
> Where have all the followers gone, long time passing.....
>
> Ralph
>
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> <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated
4/20/2002 11:03:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> </FONT><FONT  COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px;
PADDING-LEFT: 5px">All too often we are called upon to correct the blunders
of the low-bidder. Of course, no owner or GC likes to be reminded that at
that point they're paying for the work at least twice over (becuase they
still have to pay to litgate against the low bidder). When will they
learn?<BR>
> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
> </FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
> Where have all the followers gone, long time passing.....<BR>
> <BR>
> Ralph </FONT></HTML>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:22:34 EDT
> From:    Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Confederacy
>
> Leland,
>
> You bet your ass I do. LOVED it. That's why I referred to it.
>
> How's your valve?
>
> Ralph
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:24:18 EDT
> From:    Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: aphc 20 april
>
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> In a message dated 4/20/2002 8:04:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > I'll be trying to remember to tune in every Sunday morning from
8am-10am!
> >
> >
>
> David,
>
> Better you should sleep.
>
> Ralph
>
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> <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated
4/20/2002 8:04:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'll be trying to remember to
tune in every Sunday morning from 8am-10am!<BR>
> <BR>
> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
> <BR>
> David,<BR>
> <BR>
> Better you should sleep.<BR>
> <BR>
> Ralph</FONT></HTML>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 22:43:41 EDT
> From:    Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Confederacy
>
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> In a message dated 4/20/2002 12:56:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > "Confederacy of Dunces
>
> Absolutely. Unfortunately, John Kennedy Toole committed suicide so we'll
get
> no more from him, although I've heard a rumor that he had another in the
> works but his mom is holding it back waiting for the big bucks.
>
> Twybil
>
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> <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated
4/20/2002 12:56:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid;
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> <BR>Absolutely. Unfortunately, John Kennedy Toole committed suicide so
we'll get no more from him, although I've heard a rumor that he had another
in the works but his mom is holding it back waiting for the big bucks.
> <BR>
> <BR>Twybil</FONT></HTML>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:16:50 -0400
> From:    Lawrence Kestenbaum <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: batting clean up
>
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Becker, Dan wrote:
>
> > Especially now that I have an eleventeen year old daughter, already
> > developing an independent streak of insistence upon her own innate
> > wisdom for deciding what is appropriate for her. YMMV.
>
> Yes, our daughter is at that point already, and she's only three and a
> half years old.
>
>                                   Larry
>
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> Lawrence Kestenbaum, [log in to unmask]
> Washtenaw County Commissioner, 4th District
> The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:36:23 -0400
> From:    Lawrence Kestenbaum <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Fear of New York
>
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Michael Edison wrote:
>
> > The fear of New York was strong among the locals I worked with in
> > upstate New York, some 25 years ago. They had a very definite "don't
> > go there - it's not safe" attitude. It can be contagious. I remember
> > walking in my old NY neighborhood at midnight after several years
> > away, thinking those people just didn't what the f--- they were
> > talking about.
>
> I lived in Detroit for three years during law school, including two years
> in the once notorious Cass Corridor, had no car, took buses everywhere at
> all hours, did my laundry at urban laundromats, walked home at midnight
> from the library or the Amtrak station, etc., etc.
>
> Admittedly, I'm over six feet tall, and I look like Shrek with a beard.
> But it was hard to take seriously the terror of NYC that I heard whispered
> among Cornellians.  Compared to Detroit, NYC is a middle class oasis with
> (even then) less than a third as much crime per capita.
>
> Of course, terrible violent crimes can happen anywhere, even in bucolic
> rural Vermont, as the media have been reminding us lately.  But
> statistically, a New Yorker runs a risk of being (say) murdered that is
> not that much above the national average.
>
>                                    Larry
>
> ---
> Lawrence Kestenbaum, [log in to unmask]
> Washtenaw County Commissioner, 4th District
> The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
> Ebay Page, http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/potifos/
> Mailing address: P.O. Box 2563, Ann Arbor MI 48106
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:41:38 -0400
> From:    Lawrence Kestenbaum <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: batting clean up
>
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, John Callan wrote:
>
> > Meanwhile, I GOT "The Strawberry Statement" and "Alice's Restaurant".  I
> > thought they were horrible movies, but I understood the characters and
> > the motivations and the consequences.  Of course I should probably
> > revisit them before making such a blanket statement.
> >
> > Wait!  I did!  I rented Alice a year or so back and was amazed that it
> > was a much better movie than I had remembered!  Not as good as the
> > Muppet Movies, but the Muppets had another twenty years of social
> > sophistication to call on.
>
> I have seen the "Alice's Restaurant" movie only once, quite a few years
> after its initial release, but also quite a few years ago.  Maybe I should
> see it again.
>
> As I remember, I liked a lot of it (admittedly I have some residual
> fondness for Arlo Guthrie), but I also squirmed with vicarious
> embarrassment at how nakedly self-indulgent it was.  It was also a bit
> like the guest who won't leave -- I kept expecting it to end, and it just
> went on and on and on.
>
> I don't remember how it ended, exactly, but it seems to me that it was at
> least downbeat if not depressing.  Another end-of-the-Sixties film.
>
>                                Larry
>
> ---
> Lawrence Kestenbaum, [log in to unmask]
> Washtenaw County Commissioner, 4th District
> The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
> Ebay Page, http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/potifos/
> Mailing address: P.O. Box 2563, Ann Arbor MI 48106
>
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>
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