On Fri, 19 May 2000 08:29:30 -0800, Zoe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I wrote:
>>1. game animals in a moderate climate have only 4-8% of fat
>>   (including brains). High fat animals are eather found in the arctics
>>   (or ice age northern climates) and IMO evolutionary not important.
>>   High bad fat are "modern" "produced" animals like fed pigs or cows
>>   (same applies).
>>   That's not low-fat or fat-free but it is *not* high fat.
>

Zoe:
>Amadeus - I've just been reading the Eades' latest book, _The Protein
>Power Lifeplan_ - they talk about how many people think paleolithic
>humans ate pretty low-fat meat compared to modern meat eaters, but
>this would only be true if they ate only the muscle meat as we tend
>to do, but they ate the entire animal, everything that was edible -
>so that it was actually higher fat than we previously thought.

Whole animals are high in fat.
But only (out of the arctis) some agricultural misformed, obese and ugly
creatures like pigs and cows.
I may point to the what Loren Cordain (some kind of paleo pope) wrote:

>        In a recent post, Mary Enig & Sally Fallon solicited information
> on the fat content of wild game animals.   My colleague, Boyd Eaton, has
> previously summarized the fat content of lean game muscle meat (1), but
> did not present data on total carcass fat content.
>           Speth (2) has compiled data from 33 analyses of whole body fat
> % of 11 different species of wild ungulates.   The mean value of 3.6%
> fat is similar to other estimates (2-5%) based upon compiled data (3).
> In contrast the total body fat content of a domesticated, grain fed
> steer ranges between 33-40% (2).

You find the whole text at:
http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?A2=ind9803&L=paleodiet&P=R123

That little fatty brain and marrow doesn't even manage to equal out
their lean muscles, compared to "lean" muscles of a fat pig.

You may also find interesting:
http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?A2=ind9705&L=paleodiet&P=R703

>So if you don't eat meat and you don't eat cereals, what do you eat?
>And what do you eat for protein?

1.greens, Vegetables, roots
2.Seeds (mostly non-cereal seeds)
I avoid wheat but not all cereals (grass seeds)

my personal *protein* sources in order of importance:
1.Oily seeds (sunflower,sesame a little flax)
2.Tree seeds: almonds and some other nuts, most macadamia or walnut
3.Starchy seeds: mainly quinoa and buckwheat
   and the grass type seeds millet and rice
4.roots (turnips, some potatoe, sweet potatoe when available)
5.protein from masses of vegetables - raw or cooked
6.A little white (fresh-) cheese mostly from sheep or goat,
   i think over including quark (kind of cottage cheese i think)

Thats not a recommendation, only my personal present fact.
Before attacking the the not so paleo items like potatoe, cheese, rice
I suggest that you take a look in the archives of the list, to see what
we already had of discussion about them.
To avoid repetitions.

regards

Amadeus